What Are MRC-5 and WI-38? And Why Are They in Vaccines?

PrintFor the past few years, I have been researching the ins and outs of how our bodies handle toxins and where those toxins come from. When I come across an ingredient I cannot pronounce, a chemical I have never heard of, or an unintelligible acronym, I do what any person (I hope) would do . . . I Google it!

Recently, I came across this list on the CDC’s website that shows the ingredients in vaccines on the market in the United States.  These ingredients have been of concern to me after learning about many children who have regressed after vaccination, many of whom also have mitochondrial disease, immune deficiency or other metabolic and immune challenges. It has led me to wonder, is there possibly an ingredient in the vaccine that could cause a child to have a reaction that leads to regression?

mouseTwo of the many ingredients listed which I was unfamiliar with seemed like they were written in code, but what caught my eye was these words: “human-diploid fibroblast cell cultures.”  Did that mean what I thought it meant? I’d better look this one up!

So I researched them, and here is what I found:

The vaccines that contained these ingredients include:

Adenovirus
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
Hep A (Havrix)
Hep B (Engerix-B)
Hep A/Hep B (Twinrix)
MMR (MMR-II)
MMRV (ProQuad)
Rabies (Imovax)
Varicella (Varivax)
Zoster (Shingles – Zostavax)

MRC-5 (Medical Research Council -5):

“The MRC-5 cell line was developed in September 1966 from lung tissue taken from a 14 week fetus aborted for psychiatric reason from a 27 year old physically healthy woman. The cell morphology is fibroblast-like. The karyotype is 46,XY; normal diploid male. Cumulative population doublings to senescence is 42-48. G6PD isoenzyme is type B.”

Source: Coriell Institute for Medical Research

And

WI-38 (Wistar Institute-38):

“The WI-38 cell line was developed in July 1962 from lung tissue taken from a therapeutically aborted fetus of about 3 months gestational age. Cells released by trypsin digestion of the lung tissue were used for the primary culture. The cell morphology is fibroblast-like. The karyotype is 46,XX; normal diploid female. A maximum lifespan of 50 population doublings for this culture was obtained at the Repository. A thymidine labelling index of 86% was obtained after recovery. G6PD is isoenzyme type B. This culture of WI-38 is an expansion from passage 9 frozen cells obtained from the submitter.”

Source: Coriell Institute for Medical Research

fetusSooooo, if I am reading this right, two of the ingredients in vaccines that we give babies, toddlers and children, contain aborted fetal cell from the 1960s? Ummmm. I don’t think I was INFORMED of that prior to my child receiving said vaccines, were you?? What is more troubling to me than that (along with the moral, ethical and religious ramifications) is that the information provided about these cells is very limited, meaning if they were “tested” to be safe and healthy in the 1960s, are they necessarily safe and healthy cells in today’s world? And what is the impact on a human baby being injected with another fetus’s (possibly of a different sex) cells? Is it possible that the baby’s body may think they are foreign and attack them? Is it possible the baby’s body may get confused and attack its own cells? Is it possible the fetus’s DNA from these cells can recombine with the baby’s cells and insert its DNA?

I am a Christian woman, not Catholic, but consider myself a moral and ethical person with moral and ethical beliefs.  I have asked a number of my Catholic friends about their take on this information, thinking surely in their church community it is an open discussion topic, based on the Catholic Church’s beliefs on abortion. I have been met with shock and awe. I have not found a Catholic friend yet, who is aware that these ingredients exist in vaccines, let alone the impact on the church’s (and their) belief system.

As I continued to dig into these ingredients, I found on the CDC website this statement (giving me pause and reassurance that someone, other than myself may be questioning this). I went on to find this statement from the Vatican (again proof that there were other thinking moms out there, well before this came on my radar!) I also found this post by a priest who also has a science background and who encourages vaccination “because vaccinations are critical to preventing very serious, life-threatening diseases, and to safeguarding large segments of the population from cataclysmic disease outbreaks and epidemics.”  It blows my mind that even those in the priesthood believe that God got this whole immunity thing messed up when he created us and that vaccines are the only thing that will protect us.

outragedAs I kept digging and searching I came across Dr. Deisher’s research. Dr. Deisher founded a company called Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute to promote consumer awareness about the widespread use of electively aborted fetal material in drug discovery, development and commercialization. I came across this presentation Dr. Deisher presented in 2013 at Autism One, concluding that autism change points correspond to switching from animal to human fetal cell lines for vaccine manufacturing.

You can also watch here Dr. Deisher’s testimony at the Minnesota House of Representatives on vaccine safety.  She presents research demonstrating a link between the rise in the rates of autism and the use of aborted fetal cells in the production of vaccines.

So my question to you . . .

toxinsDid you know there are aborted fetus cells in your child’s vaccines (and if you vaccinated your child, like we did, those cells have been injected into your child’s body)?

And if so, do you think it is safe? Or do you take pause, like me, and wonder what the impact on an entire generation of children may be?

 

~ Beaker

Beaker started her professional career in the lab as a bewildered chemist who often felt she was a round peg in a square hole! After the birth of her children and the unexpected medical journey that her youngest would take their family on, she found out the EXACT reason she had that chemistry degree and put it to good use as she set out to restore her children’s health. Along the way she found her true calling: sharing their family’s experience with other mothers and helping them improve the quality of life of their children, by staying true to their guiding light . . . their God-given mother’s instinct.

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145 Responses to What Are MRC-5 and WI-38? And Why Are They in Vaccines?

  1. cynthia sobel says:

    Thank you for looking into this. I say you are a great Mom, others NEED to know this. Had I have known I would NOT have vaccinated my children for the MMR vaccine. I am in my 50s and I HAD the measles and Rubella (not the mumps, look I’m alive!) I think death from these diseases are rare and the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease. Parents who want to immunize their children should roll up their sleeve and take it first. Now you are thinking keep going…

  2. Amanda says:

    Sorry to say but you are worried about all the wrong ingredients. Formaldehyde, Aluminum, and Mercury, and your worried about stem cells? I think you should do a bit more research on vaccines.

    • Doctor says:

      MRC5 and WI38 are not stem cells. They are fibroblasts (i.e. collagen producing cells) from the lungs.

      Thimerosol has been removed from vaccines. Autism rates have not come down.

      Infants without allergy to aluminum can easily tolerate up to 4.225mg of aluminum/year with no toxicity. Not all vaccines use aluminum adjuvant. HBV vaccine for example uses .25mg, so you would need 20 doses of it in a year to exceed the safe limit.

      Formaldehyde is naturally produced, and in fact the average infant already has 50-70x the amount of formaldehyde found in their entire vaccine course.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        “Thimerosal has been removed from vaccines” is the most disingenuous statement made on the subject. Full doses of Thimerosal are contained in most flu vaccines dispensed to pregnant women and infants older than six months. In addition, “trace amounts” of Thimerosal are contained in a number of other vaccines that are given to infants and there is exactly ZERO oversight as to whether the processes used by the manufacturers to “remove” the Thimerosal after manufacture actually removes the Thimerosal. These vaccines with the supposedly “trace amounts” are given WITH aluminum-containing vaccines, when it is known that mercury and aluminum in combination are HIGHLY neurotoxic, much more than even mercury alone.

        It is ALSO disingenuous to say that “autism rates have not come down.” This year’s numbers are the first to come from children who would have definitely been given the lower amounts of Thimerosal, and the official CDC number has plateaued, despite the push beginning in 2004 to give mercury-containing flu vaccines to pregnant women and infants. Of course, the CDC’s number is problematic to begin with, but at the moment it is the best we have.

        By the way, few people think Thimerosal is the only problem when it comes to vaccination. Autism is characterized by inflammation in the brain. Vaccines are DESIGNED to create an inflammatory response in the body. The immune system is directly connected to the neurological system such that many scientists refer to a combined “neuroimmune system.” And in the last year we found out HOW directly they are connected when lymph vessels leading to the brain were discovered. Any time you over-stimulate the immune system, you WILL affect the neurological system, which is why we keep hearing that “infections” can cause encephalitis, etc. But vaccines stimulate far higher levels of antibody production (inflammation) than actual infections do and we repeatedly stimulate a child’s immune system in this manner without ever considering the effect upon their neurological systems. It is any wonder that neurological conditions ABOUND in today’s kids?

        Your aluminum safety numbers are utterly inapplicable as the “safe” amount is based upon ORAL consumption. Only a small percentage of aluminum is absorbed when it is ingested. Aluminum INJECTED has a completely different effect upon the body. That’s WHY it’s used in vaccines. The alumminum adjuvants are used in order to create a strong immune reaction to the vaccine ingredients. Much smaller amounts create much stronger effects in those circumstances. The same is true for formaldehyde. A healthy gut lining is designed to keep these potentially toxic ingredients OUT of the bloodstream. Injection is designed to get them INTO it.

      • Nancy Bowers says:

        You have been brained washed by your fellow doctors and pharma buddies. Print out the CDC vaccination ingredient list and you will find thimerosol is still in vaccinations and the ones that removed the thimerosol they have added extra aluminum. There are so many neurotoxins in vaccinations that it’s a miracle that any child is still alive at all. 1 in 50 is too many children to injure. It’s a criminal act and I hope I live long enough to see those responsible brought to justice.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Don’t count on someone who chooses a screen name of “Doctor” actually BEING a doctor.

  3. Maya says:

    Hi
    im making a reaserch for Mrc-5 cell and i want more information bout it and the protocol of their uses and how we can make Culture of this Cell
    Please

  4. Lynne says:

    I went to the CDC website and read what is in most of the vaccines. I found glutaraldehyde was an ingredient in some of the vaccines and my mouth dropped open. I used glutaraldehyde to disinfect respiratory equipment and it is very toxic. It used to burn our eyes, nose and throat when we were in the equipment room for too long.

    It is my understanding that the government will soon force adults into an adult immunization schedule. How or when, I am not sure.

    • Doctor says:

      I went to the CDC website and read what is in most of the vaccines. I found dihydrogen monoxide was an ingredient in ALL the vaccines and my mouht dropped open. I used dihydrogen monoxide when disinfecting all types of equipment and it is very toxic. Just some examples of its dangers:

      Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
      Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
      Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
      DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
      Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
      Contributes to soil erosion.
      Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
      Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
      Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
      Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
      Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Oh, give us a fucking break. “Dihydrogen monoxide”? You can take your stupid water hoax and peddle it elsewhere.

  5. Tonya Martone says:

    Why dose’nt Jenny Mcartney know about this?

  6. jimbob says:

    This fetus was aborted decades ago, for reasons having nothing to with vaccines. Whether or not you agree with this abortion, is it a bad thing that some the fetus’ cells were cultured and used to save countles human lives? Are you saying you would have preferred the fetus to be completely discarded, with no benefit to anyone? The cells in the cultures are alive, not dead. Would you advocate the killing of all these cells now? Why would that be so much different from abortion?

    Also, I am a scientist, with degrees in biology and other areas, and am actively involved in biochemical research (we don’t use any kind of human-derived samples except the occasional blood sample from consenting adults). Maybe I’m wrong, but you seem to claim in your article that you don’t have the proper background to have an idea about whether or not these cells (or proteins and DNA derived from them) are harmful, and that your insufficient knowledge is some kind of evidence that they are, in fact, harmful. I hope I don’t have to point out the fallacy in this kind of logic.

    If this isn’t what you’re saying, and you feel you have sufficient scientific knowledge to determine that these ingredients are harmful, maybe we can have a friendly debate. What do you think are the main dangers of such ingredients in vaccines? What are the specific physiological detriments you fear are being caused by them, and by what mechanism do you think they effect this?

    Here are some questions you ask, and I’ll answer them to the best of my knowledge. Let me know if you disagree with any of it.

    “Is it possible the fetus’s DNA from these cells can recombine with the baby’s cells and insert its DNA?”
    -No. DNA is too large and too polar to cross cell membranes, which consist of a phospholipid bilayer. The DNA won’t be able to enter any of the baby’s cells.

    “Is it possible that the baby’s body may think they are foreign and attack them?”
    – Yes. Would this be a problem? No. This is the normal functioning of the human immune system and the reason for its existence. We are exposed to millions of foreign antigens every day. This is also how vaccines work; they trigger a response in the human immune system to deactivated viral proteins or other components.

    “Is it possible the baby’s body may get confused and attack its own cells?”
    -Not really. Immune cells producing antibodies specific for endogenous proteins are selected against in the thymus and bone marrow, and don’t reach maturity. A vaccine would generally have no effect on this process. Autoimmune diseases are caused by dysfunction of this process usually unrelated to external factors except those which might affect the genetic makeup of cells (i.e., active viruses, etc). It is possible, though exremely rare, that a protein can trigger an autoimmune response. The chances of a protein doing this are on the order of 1 in many million, and it wouldn’t matter what source the protein came from. That is, a protein derived from or expressed in bacteria would have the same chance of eliciting this response as one from human cells. Are you suggesting that no proteins of any kind should be used in medicine? Are you against insulin treatments for diabetics? Or interferon treatments for viral infections, turning hepatitis again into a death sentence? Erythropoietin for anemia and myelodysplasia?

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      I have an immediate reaction to your post, but I will do more investigation before I say too much. First off, no blog on this site goes from the assumption that “we don’t know if something causes harm” means that it DOES cause harm. That is not a logical position, and not one we would ever promote. However, it is ALSO not logical to assume that “we don’t know if something causes harm” means that it DOESN’T cause harm, despite the fact that we see that argument in the mainstream press all the time to justify the use of many products that may indeed be harmful. The nice thing from the point of view of the marketer is that as long as you can convincingly say you don’t KNOW about the harm, you can continue to pretend that no harm is done.

      Secondly, I’m assuming you are aware of the huge explosion in autoimmune conditions in recent years. You claim that the devlopment of autoimmunity has nothing to do with “external factors.” So what’s your working theory on how to explain their rise? “Active viruses”? So, how would that work exactly… Viruses are much more “active” today than they were when we were getting all those “deadly diseases”?

    • Christopher Gorton says:

      I do have a question, isnt gene therapy the science of sending new DNA into a person/animal for the purpose of altering its genetic makeup? The DNA itself is able to transfer this way using a vector, like say a virus, which actually has the most efficient pathway to transfer and replicate, or am I missing something?

      • Doctor says:

        The MRC5 cells are used to grow the virus. In fact, the vaccine makers do everything in their power to avoid any contamination of MRC5 matter. The majority of these vaccines are not alive and thus do not enter cells in the manner that gene therapy with something like an adenovirus vector is used. For the vaccines that are alive, these viruses don’t want to carry human DNA and have mechanisms to avoid contamination of their virions with human DNA. Human DNA is a waste of space and particularly for all RNA viruses besides flu, they replicate in the cytoplasm where there is no human DNA so its essentially impossible to find human DNA in an RNA virus.

    • Tonya Martone says:

      Hi, I am a Mother of five children. Regretfully, two died in abortion. My second Son, Josh, had a reaction after his second dose of vaccines. He has been registered with the CDC as having an adverse reaction and we were told not to continue vaccinating him. The damage has been done. He has nerve and brain damage in the form of ADHD and Autism. Both of which are on the rise in recent decades.
      That being said, I would like your educated guess, remember we can only “practice” medicine, on how you think someone else’s DNA/tissue would react with yours if injected into your body. I am not a Scientist. Turns out you don’t have to be to have common sense. Let’s think about this together. If you were to have an organ transplant, would’nt you need strong medication so that your body does’nt have a reaction? Whats the harm in investigating any reactions in the human body involving these foriegn cells.
      By the way, the Nazis made soap from the fat of Jews. Ironically, they had the same argument as you. They were dying anyway, why not make use of their remains for the better of all. The argument doesnt hold up when you realize the fetus=”latin for small child” was alive and well.

      • LLC says:

        Hit the nail on the head. Thank you

      • Linda Mosionier says:

        Heartbreaking…

      • klyneal says:

        Well said. It’s gruesome and totally disrespectful of human life to either make soap or vaccines from aborted babies. How have we become so cold and clinical? Whatever happened to human empathy, decency, and respect for life?
        Another thing I am afraid of here is that money corrupts. If a financial incentive is provided for aborting/murdering babies, there will always be unscrupulous people who will do anything for the almighty dollar.

        I have no problem with a adult stem cell research, or stem cells from umbilical cords. I do have a major problem with any part of an aborted baby being used for anything at all. Are we becoming a nation of Hitlers?

      • Doctor says:

        “If you were to have an organ transplant, would’nt you need strong medication so that your body does’nt have a reaction? Whats the harm in investigating any reactions in the human body involving these foriegn cells.”

        It has been investigated in studying the risks of vaccines and has been proven to not be a risk. The magnitude of the size of the foreign human material between an organ and a vaccine is monstrous. It’s like arguing that being dropped into an olympic sized swimming pool full of boiling water could kill you, so couldn’t a tiny drop of boiling water landing on your arm do the same?

        “By the way, the Nazis made soap from the fat of Jews. Ironically, they had the same argument as you. They were dying anyway, why not make use of their remains for the better of all. The argument doesnt hold up when you realize the fetus=”latin for small child” was alive and well.”

        The Nazi comparison is quite disingenuous. We are not systematically aborting fetuses in an attempt to purify a racial gene pool. Also, that’s not the most appropriate description of the definition of fetus. It actually specifically referred to pregnancy and the concept of a hatchling. When you order egg whites, do you ask them for “scrambled amnion, hold the baby?”

    • The 1973 movie Soylent Green and the novel Stranger in a Strange Land (Robert Heinlein) both suggested that it is wasteful to discard human bodies so why not eat them? Such thoughts send a shiver down the moral spine of most people.

    • Tonya says:

      How can you prove that injecting the Nations living children with the cells of dead ones saved anyone’s life? Vaccines cannot properly be tested without inoculating the vaccinated with the disease. And just as someone already mentioned. People die every day should we let their remains go to waste? Why don’t we eat them? This is YOUR argument and it fails!

    • Yvette Isais says:

      As a scientist with degrees (plural) in biology and other areas? Whoa watch out, you got some knowledge up your sleeve right? Then you should know about transformation, conjugation and transduction, am I right? Then you should have the knowledge of how DNA can be picked up and put into the cell by one way of bacteriophage. I don’t know where you are coming from or what school you went to but not sounding like a scientist thinking outside the box and doing their own research like myself. You just sound like someone following blindly what they teach in school. Your points aren’t that clear. Are there fetus parts in insulin treatments?… Here is a point, what the fuck is fetus parts doing in our vaccines??? That is not how they were originally made. This is wrong. If you think it is right then more power to you. But as for me I don’t think any of these ingredients should be shot up in the veins of my child.

      • Kathleen Nealis says:

        The Doctor says:
        “The Nazi comparison is quite disingenuous. We are not systematically aborting fetuses in an attempt to purify a racial gene pool. Also, that’s not the most appropriate description of the definition of fetus. It actually specifically referred to pregnancy and the concept of a hatchling. When you order egg whites, do you ask them for “scrambled amnion, hold the baby?” ”

        ??? Seriously? Does it matter why babies are killed before they are born?

        A “fetus” is your son or daughter from the moment of conception. And your son or daughter will have a full set of dna from the very first moment as well. So where does the “hold the baby” part come from? (Especially since we are not hatched …. )

        The most appropriate description of a a fetus, therefore, is YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER. As in, a HUMAN BEING.

        So what is your point?

        An innocent child should never be killed for any reason (other than saving the life of the mother). And whether you abort your child at 3 weeks along, or 6 months along, it makes no difference, your child still ends up DEAD. And an entire life stolen.

        I have major objections to killing innocent children for any reason, so using an aborted child’s cells is massively disrespectful and cold. No different than PP selling the body parts of aborted babies. We have become so hardened …..

      • Kathleen Nealis says:

        I’m with you, I get so angry when excuses are made for using any part of an aborted human life.

  7. Richard Hawk says:

    Of course church agrees, and of course every sane people would, you guys either are really dumb or are terrible at math, even me, that im not good at math, know that the opposite is waaaay worse, im not talking a little here, im talking way worse, like an entire nation being wiped out to 40% of population, ever heard of the black plague? small pox? And countless others than nearly wiped humanity out of the earth? Its a myth to you? On one hand we have “Cells” taken from a baby and “replicated” that means, they are not even the same anymore, if you dunno that, see how cells work, against… 100.000.000 people saved from a possible outbreak. Yeah, totally, most of you dumbs are the reason why the fckin ebola is back, and anothers will be back if you go down that way! At least you get the oppurtonity to see all your family and friends being wiped out! Come on people! For fck sake! See the BIG picture here.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Usually I just delete the comments riddled with insults, especially repeated use of the word “dumb,” but yours contains a viewpoint that is important to counter. You imply that there is an either/or choice between using aborted fetal cells in vaccines or 40% of the population dying in an epidemic. This is an utterly ridiculous simplification of the issues involved, and is the sort of thing that people use frequently to imply that everyone should just “get their damn vaccines.”

      There is no evidence whatsoever that use of these cells in vaccines have saved 100,000,000 people from ANY kind of outbreak, and there never will be. Long before their use, death rates from communicable diseases had dropped dramatically in industrialized countries. There was no danger of large-scale deaths from any of the diseases whose vaccines contain these ingredients. Seeing the “big picture” means seeing as it REALLY is, not as you fear it to be.

    • Tonya Martone says:

      I dont think any of “us” are against vaccinations. That being said, it is important that we have SAFE vaccinations. Current statistics suggest that half of our American children will have some form of ADHA/Autism by 2025. There is no doubt, its on the rise. Why are’t we even looking to research the effects wi-38 may have on our children?

    • klyneal says:

      I don’t think you see the big picture here. Vaccines made from animal cells worked perfectly fine.

      Whatever happened to the sanctity of life? Since when is ANY human life expendable? Even one?

      I have major issues with abortion to begin with. We have become a nation that is totally morally bankrupt. We’ve become cold and clinical with respect to human life. I find this so sad. Whatever will become of future generations? THAT is the “big picture.”

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Vaccines made from animal cells DIDN’T work “perfectly fine.” Polio vaccine made from monkey kidneys were contaminated with SV-40 which has been shown to cause cancers in humans. In addition, growth media from cows, chickens, eggs, and dairy sensitize individuals to those proteins so when they are encountered in food form, the individual can have an anaphylactic allergic response. There is NO growth medium that does not cause significant health issues in at least a small population of individuals.

        And I don’t agree at all on the idea that “we’ve become cold and clinical with respect to human life.” I think we are much MORE respecting of human life than any generation before us. That is why we are no longer tolerant of child abuse, sexual abuse, and bullying, and it is only seeing the old attitudes contrasting so strongly with new ones that highlights them. Abortion has existed throughout history. The only thing new about it is that fewer women are dying in the process.

      • klyneal says:

        Some were contaminated. My family was fortunate. We weren’t vaccinated with human cells, and none of us every had adhd or autism. Like I said before, NO ONE I ever knew growing up back in the 60’s ever had these issues.

        So, if the vaccines were animal back then, and not human, it seems logical to assume that those vaccines didn’t cause autism and adhd.

        I don’t know about contaminated vaccines. I’ve heard of them, but again, my family and friends have been fortunate enough to not have any problems. I guess we didn’t get any contaminated vaccines.

      • klyneal says:

        I’m talking about autism and adhd. Absolutely NO ONE I ever knew had adhd or autism. It was unheard of growing up in the 60’s.

        So, since animal vaccines were used then, it would be obvious that these vaccines didn’t cause these issues. And they didn’t.

        As far as contaminated vaccines, I’ve heard of them, but NEVER knew anyone affected by them. I didn’t even know of any kids with allergies except a couple with your garden variety hay fever in spring.
        So I’m not sure how many people have been affected by contaminated vaccines as I never knew anyone that was.

        I do know that kids and adults have a LOT more health problems today associated with vaccines. TONS more.

        So why use human cell vaccines? There is no way this is a coincidence.

        Even considering we spend a lot more time playing outside, getting physical exercise and socializing a lot more at a younger age. No video games, game boys, computers, very little TV, no cell phones or tablets …. all of which I believe can make adhd or autism worse.

        There is definitely a reason for this.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        They may not have caused MUCH autism or ADHD, but they did cause SOME. Yes, both conditions were rare in the ’60s. I grew up then as well and remember it well. There is definitely a familial difficulty with detoxification and I had a younger brother and cousin who had learning disability and attention issues even then. The three of us also developed allergies. Animal-derived vaccines are not the solution you imagine. The total number of vaccines has increased tremendously, and the timing of them has been drastically accelerated. Both of those facts can account for much of what we are seeing. (Read all the discussion about the total mercury load given to tiny infants in 1998-99, and Generation Zero of the Verstraeten study. Mercury is by no means the only problem. Alumuninum adjuvants are also extremely important.) I don’t think vaccines grown on human cells are anything like a good idea, but if all of today’s vaccines were animal-derived, we would still have tremendous levels of serious health problems. They would just be slightly different.

  8. Mike says:

    I work in the vaccine manufacturing industry. I found this post accidentally through a Google search.

    The cells in question are used to produce the target protein for vaccines. The cells and their DNA, along with any of the other proteins the cells produce, are not present in the final drug product. There are tremendous panels of testing during the manufacturing process specifically for these things. There is a huge purification process between harvested cells and final drug product.

    • Christopher Gorton says:

      Mike, I posted this earlier but you may have missed it. The excipient list of vaccine ingredients compiled by the CDC does list replicating cell host DNA and proteins. Specifically the MMRV, Shingles and Varicella vaccines ALL contain MRC-5 residual cells in the final product. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

    • Tonya Martone says:

      Although I respect your work and opinion. Credible articles tell otherwise. Companies go to great lengths to have a clean product. However, it is virtually impossible to separate the human cells.

    • klyneal says:

      But how does this explain the rise of autism and auto-immune disease that just happens to coincide with the vaccines made from human cells?

      When I was growing up in the 1960’s, autism and hyperactive kids were unheard of. Kids just seemed to be a whole lot healthier.

      Nor does it explain all the drugs on the market whose side effects are worse than the disease. Money is at the root of all evil. Pharmaceuticals are a major multi-billion dollar industry.

  9. shari says:

    I have a question. If we have these cells injected into us how do we get them out? It is impossible right? Is there some sort of herbal remedy to combat the effects this has on us? For instance I have inflammation in almost my entire body- I have severe iritis (inflammation of the iris), chronic fatigue, carpel tunnel, planter faciaitis, and nerve problems in my lower back (s-1 to l3)- I do believe the majority of these are caused from the vaccinations- I am 36 years old

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Essentially, your immune system has been skewed toward inflammation and the creation of antibodies that are attacking your own body. You don’t need to “get the cells out.” What you need to do is change how your immune system reacts to its own tissues. There are a number of ways to do this, but no certain cure for autoimmunity. You will want to bring down the inflammation and calm down the production of antibodies. It’s a complicated process for which you will probably need the help of a naturopath.

      • Peggy Winkel says:

        Try naturopaths, chiropractors, integrative medicine doctors, osteopaths and homeopaths with experience detoxing. As with all fields, some are better than others. Probiotics and CBD oils, a clean, organic diet and avoidance of toxins will help a lot. There are foods that trigger inflammation in some people; such as the nightshade family (potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, peppers (hot and regular), huckleberries, ground cherries/ashwaganda and goji berries, etc.). Methylation is a good topic to delve into online..it relates to detoxification and utilization of nutrients and is vastly interesting as well as helpful.

      • joanna says:

        after reading your symptoms you sound like me. i have all your symptoms and more and have just been diagnosed with chronic lyme disease and coinfections. as i read the information on this website it makes me wonder about the human tissue used in these vaccines and the realization that in many countries, these vaccines are mandatory. did they even test the donated tissue foor bacterial infectious diseases before using them?

  10. Julie says:

    The reality is that autism has been around for a very long time. Perhaps we should stop blaming vaccines for something that could be because of genetics, age, etc.

    Univeristy of Toronto states: Tiny gene fragments called microexons are linked to altered brain development in autism, according to new research from scientists at the University of Toronto.

    Some studies say circumcised boys have a higher risk of Autism.

    As men age they have a higher risk of having a child with autism (and other genetic problems).

    Autism has been around longer than vaccines. Stephen Stills (musician) has Aspergers, some say Bill Gates. Both before vaccines were around.

    My Mom, a teacher, starting in the 1960s says there are always kids with autisic behaviours, however they decided to put a label on the anti-social behaviour in order to get school funding in Canada. Hence, the label autistic.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Julie, you have zero evidence that severe autism has “been around for a very long time.” It has never been described anywhere until the 1940s. Asperger’s MAY have been around longer than vaccines have been, but you will certainly not prove it by using Stephen Stills or Bill Gates. I am only slightly younger than Bill Gates and Stephen Stills, and I was vaccinated against smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella. The first vaccine recommended for widespread use was the smallpox vaccine, which was created in 1798 (and until fairly recently that was the only thing that was actually referred to by the word “vaccine,” which was derived from the Latin word for cow as smallpox vaccine is made from cowpox).

      A recent study shows DIFFERENT brain changes in those with Asperger’s from those with severe autism. So making sweeping statements about Asperger’s, even if true (which is not at all clear), does not mean that they would necessarily apply to those with severe autism (which was what was meant by the word “autism” until 1994). Your mother the teacher did not “always” have severely autistic children in her class. Up to on-third of the people currently considered “autistic” are non-verbal. That was NOT something that was even remotely common in the 1960s, nor was regression after a child had begun speaking. These phenomena are new, at least in the large numbers we are seeing today.

      • Don Houston says:

        Not quite correct on autism not being described in the literature before Kanner, 1943. Kanner stated this, he was wrong which doesn’t say much for his research ability.
        I looked into this some years back on assumption that if autism was caused by vaccines then it should be traceable back to at least 1830 but by another name. I looked, I found.
        From documents dating back to about 1850 that I looked at you will find a condition that bears all the hallmarks of autism. Back then they were more honest in their terminology. It was called vaccinal encephalopathy – vaccine caused brain damage. Straight up and to the point, brain damage caused by vaccines.
        In the 1890s a man called Emile Kraeplin was attempting to bring some sense and method to psychiatric diagnoses and conditions. He noticed two conditions he considered to be identical except for age of onset. Many are actually familiar with Kraeplin’s work by the better known condition, senile dementia (which is now called Alzheimer’s even though senile dementia has precedence in the literature and is an accurate term), the other, dementia praecox which is now called autism. Kraeplin described these conditions in 1898 so Kanner was wrong in his statement that his autism was an entirely new condition never before seen in the medical literature.
        He should have been familiar with Kraeplin and his work.
        Vaccination has been around for over two hundred years, Bill Gates and that other bloke are not that old.
        As an interesting, but very much related aside, allergies did not exist in the medical literature prior to Jenner’s poisonous brew began being inflicted on people. Hay fever was described in the literature in 1805, seven years after vaccination began. Since then every new vaccine inflicted on our children is followed immediately with an increase in allergy rates.
        Allergies are the result of an immune system malfunctioning. By strange coincidence (vaccines cause more coincidences than anything else known), we have an increasing number and rate of people becoming allergic to themselves. Everything in a vaccine is immunogenic (can cause allergy or other aberrant immune response), have to wonder what sort of immune responses you get to human tissue. An allergy to human tissue could be a bit of a bummer considering what we are made up of.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Hi Don! We just ran Heather Fraser’s wonderful rundown on her book The Peanut Allergy Epidemic. Her work dovetails beautifully with what you found out about hayfever. Vaccines DEFINITELY increase atopy (tendency to allergy). And the autoimmunity aspect is I think the single biggest reason why we MUST make a HUGE dent in the amount of vaccinating we do and FAST.

        Thanks for the info on Kraeplin! I didn’t know about him, and I am now fascinated.

    • Peggy Winkel says:

      Vaccines have been around far longer than you think. I was vaccine injured by DPT in 1949 and soon after was diagnosed with autism in infancy. Encephalopathy caused by vaccination certainly contributes to autism. Another gift of DPT in the late 1940s and early 1950s was paralytic polio at the injection site, which was noted by researchers in the UK. 1949 was a major epidemic year of paralytic polio in children and infants. Most of us probably are not aware of how we came down with polio in that time period. Another factor in autism also occurred for me following DPT vaccination #2 and that was an almost fatal case of dysentary and some nasty gut damage, also associated with autism and a very important factor in how well I manage in life or do not…painful too. DPT shot #1 sent me into inconsolable screaming 2o hours a day, which was dismissed as colic, and oddly (snark) loss of appetite and feeding and fever. And the pattern of damage and dismissals of connection/lack of concern by the majority of the medical profession has continued for many decades while the toll of death and damage has risen and worsened as more vaccines have been added to the schedule. The only positive for me, probably, was that I did not have to get the polio vaccine containing the cancer triggering SV40 (simian virus) that is showing up in many cancers, which was used in the 50’s for a time. I also don’t know if there was a polio virus in the DPT vaccine accidentally or experimentally. I believe it was grown on monkey kidney also. Sad to use children, babies and other innocent creatures in such a long and horrible experiment while suppressing information about outcomes (for anyone who has not taken the time to read vaccine inserts these days).

    • Tonya Martone says:

      I agree, we have ALWAYS had kids with autism due to genes. However, look at the huge rise in this disorder in recent decades. It is not easy to get a diagnosis of autism. There has to be specific criteria and symptoms to get a diagnosis. Sooo…all of these new cases are not made up. There is also a rise in autoimmune disorders. Why is everyone so scared to have wi-38 properly evaluated for adverse reactions??? Thats the least we can do, unless we don’t want the truth. SAD

    • klyneal says:

      I beg to differ. I grew up in the 60’s. I can absolutely tell you, since I was there, that none of my friends exhibited anti-social behavior. There was no epidemic of hyper-active or autistic kids. None.

      When my sons were growing up in the 80’s and 90’s, both hyperactive kids and autistic children had become much more common. I know quite a few autistic kids, ranging from mild to severe, and they are ALL under 20 years of age.

      There has DEFINITELY been a major increase in autism.

      More kids are being diagnosed as ADHD and hyperactive as well.

      None of my friends or extended family that are my age, nor their friends, nor my parents generation ever had any of these issues. Not even one. Like I said, those that I do know of are all under 20 years of age. The evidence is all around us.

  11. Jon Niedzwiecki says:

    All the circuitous logic and argument here, the overtight focus… Lack of studies? Why do antivax arguments totally ignore Veterinary Medicine? Minute bits of foreign DNA will damage you for life? Tell this to people whose lives were saved by properly screened transfusions of blood and plasma. Correlating statistics and time lines with actual events and processes is a flim flam numbers game without actual hard research to back it up. It is a distortion of evidence posing as fact that is indulged in every tie there is an election campaign. The rise in mental illness and autism rates are directly linked to cell phone and WI Fi usage. The numbers prove it. People in the Know, know this. Everybody needs a club to use and belong to.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      I’m sorry, but this is very funny comment. “Antivax arguments totally ignore Veterinary Medicne”? 🙂 You mean the veterinarians who acknowledge that overvaccinating pets leads to vaccinosis? And that many pets get cancers at the injection sites of their vaccines? No one is saying that “properly screened transfusions” have not saved lives, undoubtedly they have. That doesn’t mean that injecting something via a needle that is designed to stimulate an immune system response does not stimulate antibodies to the material in the injection, in this case human DNA. Why should autoimmune disease be such an unthinkable result? And I love the “flim flam numbers” comment with the “distortion of evidence posing as fact” when you make the claim that mental illness and autism rates are due to cell phone and WiFi usage and “the numbers prove it.” Such a delicious combination of ironic statements. Thanks for my morning’s amusement.

      • KristenM says:

        What is “Vaccinosis”?

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Vaccinosis is what veterinarians call it when dogs and cats develop diseases due to “excess” vaccination. Surprisingly enough, it is not “officially” recognized by the mainstream, like so many long-term, debilitating human diseases that are not easily defined, chronic Lyme disease, ME/CFS, fibromyalgia, etc. http://leerburg.com/pdf/vaccinosis.pdf

    • Tonya Martone says:

      Tell that to the growing number of Mothers and Fathers who happily took there children in to be vaccinated, only to have them stop talking, showing emotion, or wanting to be held. Watch silent epidemic on youtube. “We” have no reason to lie to the public. We are not getting paid. Unlike Big Pharm who makes billions in ADHD medication every year.

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  13. Henrietta says:

    Sometimes googling is not enough when you don’t have the proper science background knowledge. WI-38 is medium the virus is GROWN in. It is NOT injecting in the vaccine. Your information and therefore entire argument is wrong. Also the fact that this line has been used for over 3 decades without issue is proof enough it is indeed safe to work with. My goodness, people want to blame vaccines and big pharma for everything while putting their children at risk.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      “Without issue”? How do you know it’s “without issue”? There are no studies done on the long-term outcomes of children who have been vaccinated. In addition, some of the medium the virus is GROWN in GETS into the injected vaccine. That’s what the whole SV-40 in the polio vaccines was about. (Read The Virus and the Vaccine if you don’t know what I’m talking about.) Those viruses were GROWN in monkey kidneys that just so happened to be contaminated with simian viruses that were not killed in the manufacturing process. To imply that the growth medium cannot affect what ends up in the injection is to grossly misrepresent how vaccines are made.

      • Eric says:

        No long term studies, I’m a long term study, been vaccinated for everything there is, had the flu shot many many times. Theres nothing wrong with me, I don’t have autism, I don’t have cancer, and obviously I havent died from vaccines. Get over yourselves and stop being panic artists over something that some hollywood blow hard said. Get your damn kids vaccinated and stop or slow down the spread of diseases.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Awesome! I’m delighted that “there’s nothing wrong with you,” but of course you realize that doesn’t mean anything for the rest of us, right? My mother chain smoked and made it to 91 with no hint of lung cancer. Does that mean that smoking doesn’t cause lung cancer? Nope!

        It would be wonderful if we could safely inject ourselves and “stop the spread of disease,” but that is an extreme oversimplification of complex processes. Stick around and read some of the other posts here and you’ll understand that there’s a whole lot of nuance that you’re missing out on.

    • Jackie Horton says:

      While the cells from WI38 and MRC5 may not be in the cells, their “residual DNA and protein” are per the Varicella vaccine insert. And also the insert mentions the tiny detail that “mutagenic effect has not been evaluated.” Here are inserts for your reading pleasure. http://www.immunize.org/packageinserts/

    • Chris Gorton says:

      Henrietta, this link provided from a Google search clearly lists the MRC-5 cells that ARE in vaccines such as the MMRV, Varicella and Shingles vaccine. ALL vaccines that use the fetal cell mediums including the WI-38, containthe original proteins and transfer residual DNA, the actual original fetal cells in vaccines are in those 3 I listed above, they cannot be removed in the centrifuge process in those products. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

  14. Madame Barker says:

    Green monkeys, ducks — and young girls as the guinea pigs.

    http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdfplus/10.2105/AJPH.61.7.1392

    No long-term follow-up, so sure it’s “safe” in the minutes after administration.

  15. Madame Barker says:

    Oh, how we have forgotten. Arthralgias and neuropathy noted soon after the dog kidney rubella vaccine was used (see 1969-76):

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK234365/

    It was given to adolescent girls and young women. Could explain the current epidemic of fatigue-related chronic illnesses like chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia. As it wasn’t licensed for use outside of the U.S. (and Canada?), this could also explain why these conditions affect so females here.

  16. Madame Barker says:

    Why do the so-called autoimmune disorders target disproportionate nbers of females?

    In the Edmonston-Zagreb measles vaccine experiment, African girls received twice the dose given to boys. The experiment was canceled after causing many deaths.

    Then there’s the HeLa cell line.

    http://www.whale.to/v/cantwell.html

  17. Via8 says:

    What if the 1966 cell line is the reason for the increase in mental illness in the United States? 1 in 5 children are currently grappling with mentally illness. This is a really great blog post that opened my eyes to other factors. I researched this back in 2007 when I became aware that varicella vaccines carried aborted fetal cells. I was shocked and frightened, and while I am Catholic, but choose to not judge others who have abortions, the idea that vaccines have carried these cell lines for so many years made my jaw drop. I expressed my concerns to my child’s developmental pediatrician who advised me to have a titers test done to determine if my son even needed the vaccine. The test confirmed that he still had immunity and no vaccine was necessary. However, the Catholic church states that we can refuse vaccines containing the aborted cells, but at the same time must lobby to make them safer, something that decent Catholics and people of many other faiths have been doing for so many years only to be met with contempt and vitriol. I do believe that not only must we lobby the govt and pharma for safer vaccines, we must also lobby within our own faiths for more clarity on this issue and a more balanced position that takes the hundreds of thousands of vaccine injuries sustained by our children into consideration. Thanks for the great post!

    • Jackie Horton says:

      Interesting you mention mental illness. Several of the vaccine inserts do mention “psychiatric disorders” as an adverse reaction. http://www.immunize.org/packageinserts/

      I am a Protestant Christian and we go by the final word of the Bible which states “Do not participate in the deeds of darkness but expose them.” Eph 5:11 And that is exactly what many of us are doing now in Cali as we fight the draconian bill SB277 that seeks to eliminate our personal/religious belief exemptions to vaccination.

  18. Madame Barker says:

    One more post.

    What if WI-38’s mother really was a psychiatric patient? Let’s say she had schizophrenia, or clinical depression. Ever heard of interleukin 6 (IL-6)?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20006283
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interleukin_6

    • Madame Barker says:

      And of course, estrogen plays a role with IL-6! More implications for the female preponderance of FMS, females having more estrogen than men.

  19. Madame Barker says:

    More of my postulations about chronic fatigue and related syndromes like fibromyalgia:

    “…meaning if they were “tested” to be safe and healthy in the 1960s, are they necessarily safe and healthy cells in today’s world? And what is the impact on a human baby being injected with another fetus’s (possibly of a different sex) cells? Is it possible that the baby’s body may think they are foreign and attack them? Is it possible the baby’s body may get confused and attack its own cells? Is it possible the fetus’s DNA from these cells can recombine with the baby’s cells and insert its DNA?”

    I think you have summarized my concerns! Bear in mind that the first children who received these vaccines are now in their 50s. We have seen post-polio syndrome in children who were vaccinated, but did not have polio. Could it be that the chronic fatigue-fibromyalgia generation is experiencing a similar effect? This should be considered.

    Our culture of blame and shame seems to put the responsibility for these conditions on the people who are suffering from them. They’re mostly white, we hear, and female. Hello — wasn’t WI-38 a white female from Sweden? Maybe people from European bloodlines (i.e. white from Nordic/Celtic/Viking/Scandinavian/anywhere the Vikings went) are more vulnerable than others to long-term inflammation and immune effects from the long-dividing WI-38 cell line. Rubella vaccines of the early 1970s came from WI-38.

    Maybe these immune/inflammatory issues should be blamed on Wi-38, instead of the people who were vaccinated.

  20. Madame Barker says:

    Thank you for raising this issue. It is my belief that we are now paying the price for using WI-38 to this day for vaccine development and research. I have posted here:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2015/02/11/385465667/panel-says-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-is-a-disease-and-renames-it

    Madame Barker •

    Further to my previous post about the rubella vaccine, bear in mind that WI-38 was a female. This may be relevant to the predominance of females with CFS (if my theory is correct).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WI-38
    http://www.nature.com/news/medical-research-cell-division-1.13273

    The WI-38 cell line was derived from human lung fibroblasts. Now consider:

    ” Fascia is richly innervated, and the major cell of the fascia, the fibroblast, has been shown to secrete pro-inflammatory cytokines, particularly IL-6, in response to strain.”

    From: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20006283

    More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibroblast

    How many times have those cells replicated, and what is the chance of something going wrong in the cell’s code over the course of many decades and countless freeze and thaw cycles? Surely human cells are not meant to replicate infinitely.

    Madame Barker •

    I continue to think that chronic fatigue syndrome and related conditions like fibromyalgia may be a dumping ground diagnosis in some cases. A recent research project found that 10% of fibromyalgia patients in the study actually had hyperparathyroidism. The study concluded that all fibromyalgia patients should be tested for hyperparathyroidism. This is a matter of testing serum calcium, PTH and vitamin D. Parathyroid surgery effectively eliminated symptoms in these cases, saving health care dollars otherwise spent on tests and treatments that were inappropriate and ineffective.

    The other matter at hand is that those currently experiencing chronic fatigue and FM were the first generation to be vaccinated against childhood diseases. We already know that the early polio vaccines were rushed to market, and some were contaminated with simian virus. It isn’t just those who contracted polio who have come down with post-polio syndrome. Some received the vaccine.

    Why a disproportionate number of females with chronic fatigue? Has anyone considered that adolescent females were vaccinated for rubella in the early 1970s, but males were not? Although many of these females may have already had immunity, the vaccine was given in case they didn’t, in order to protect fetuses during future pregnancies.

    The rubella vaccine and others were grown using human cells, partly because of the earlier polio vaccine contamination. Could there be a problem dating back to the original cells used to grow these vaccines, now wreaking havoc among a certain (susceptible) percentage of the population who received them?

    http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/human-cell-strains-vaccine-development

  21. robert says:

    You do realize that every time you kiss someone, drink from the same glass, etc you are getting their DNA and their cell components? What is this world coming to!!!

    And every time you eat communion bread, you are getting mold DNA, and mold cells. every time you eat asparagus, MORE plant DNA!!!

    Why are we living longer and longer??? I’ll bet you “Science Moms” don’t ask yourself that very often, do you.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      And you do realize that ingestion by mouth does not equal injection by hypodermic syringe in effect upon the body, don’t you? Otherwise, there would be no need whatsoever to inject vaccines in order to stimulate an immune response. It’s the immune response to the human DNA that is the concern. But don’t let us spoil your sarcasm-fest with facts…

      • Madame Barker says:

        I don’t think many people kiss a 53-year-old lung fibroblast that has been frozen and thawed and divided its cells infinite times, do you? Many people do, however, have it injected into their bodies, where it stays for the rest of their lives.

      • BLC1 says:

        You don’t need to inject things to get an immune response – several vaccines are/can be given orally. And think about what you are worrying about – nanograms of human DNA from a vaccine causing a multitude of diseases while thousands are alive and well after receiving entire kidneys, lungs, hearts, gallons of blood. Show me a single person anywhere where you can isolate any WI38 DNA even a few days after the vaccine.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        You don’t NEED to “inject things” to get an immune response, but the fact that the vast majority of vaccines ARE injected is no accident. Those injections are done in order to stimulate an immune response that would not have happened without the delivery method of injection. (Even skin testing, with its not particularly deep penetration of antigen into the skin, has been implicated in “sensitization” — i.e. immune activation — to the antigen in the skin prick.) “Thousands are alive and well after receiving entire kidneys, lungs, hearts,” etc. because they take powerful IMMUNOSUPPRESSIVE drugs for the “rest of their lives.” I happen to think the natural design of the immune system is a wonderful thing, and I don’t care to induce the need to suppress it forever, UNLESS the need for a clear and present need for an organ transplant exists.

    • Tonya Martone says:

      My guess is that you are very young. Digesting something is VERY different from having it injected into your body. When it is digested, it usually comes out of your body as waste. When it is injected, it stays in the body. We are living longer due to being more educated and cleaner. For example, not too long ago in history, Doctors did NOT know to wash there hands between patients. Going from an autopsy to giving birth. Vaccines should NOT take the credit for our health. Ironically, the human immune system is lowered significantly after being vaccinated. They also dont protect us for long. If a disease is able to take its course naturally, you have immunity for life. Again, im not against vaccines. I just wnt them to be further studies and SAFE 100%

  22. Oreoluwa Thompson says:

    THE WORLD OF THOUGHT

    REASONS AGAINST VACCINATION
    Vaccination:
    Evidence is negative and indirect
    Sometimes kills and frequently injures
    Causes over sixty different diseases
    Diseases are usually worse than smallpox
    Has been known to sometimes make smallpox
    Slightly increases the chances of taking smallpox
    Kills more than smallpox and injures untold thousands
    Has no scientific basis; no ascertained law or principle
    Is enforced by doctors as a dogma; without being understood
    Is only good for “fees;” isolation stops smallpox; it takes credit
    Does not mitigate smallpox; thousands of vaccinated persons die
    Is contaminating and infecting with vile, filthy, decaying poisonous matter
    When successful consists in bringing about a permanent, unnatural, diseased condition

    Because:
    Evidence against vaccination is direct and positive
    Pure virus is a pure lie; it is animal pus poison
    Persons vaccinated by Jenner himself afterwards took smallpox
    Spontaneous cowpox is a myth; usually it’s of syphilitic origin
    Cancer and Bright’s disease have enormously increased under it
    Probably Jenner killed his own son by vaccinating him frequently
    Consumption follows vaccination as effect follows cause, until now one in every six or seven dies with consumption
    Ribaldry and abuse largely constitute the arguments in favor of vaccination; when attacked it is defenseless
    When vaccination kills, facts are suppressed, and health (?) boards return death certificates so made out

    Because Smallpox:
    Epidemics never increase the general mortality
    Epidemics usually commence with vaccinated persons
    Death rates are as great now as before vaccination
    If intelligently handled, is easily cured and controlled
    Epidemics since vaccination have been worse than those before
    Was not a bad disease before doctors attempted to eradicate it
    Itself cannot protect from smallpox any more than vaccination can
    Continued to increase under vaccination until sanitation came into more general use
    Inoculation was believed in and practiced by the doctors for one hundred years, multiplying smallpox everywhere
    Was checked by the cessation of inoculation, not by the introduction of vaccination
    Is the only disease for which the doctors have an infallible remedy; and it is the only disease that has the same death rate as two hundred years ago

    Because:
    Usually vaccinated cities and towns have the most smallpox
    Hygienists can cure smallpox, or eradicate it easily; with no scare
    All epidemics prove the doctors are blind leaders of the blind
    There is every probability that smallpox would have followed its kindred diseases, the black death, the plague and the sweating sickness into oblivion had it not been kept alive by doctors
    Doctors instead of trying to find out anything about smallpox simply cry “Vaccinate!” “Vaccinate!!” “VACCINATE!!!”
    Taken from Vaccination in the The New Cycle, Published in 1899, Volume 10; pp. 63-64

  23. Ann says:

    I don’t want my kids vaccinated. But since schools and day cares require to be vaccinated and I’m not religious, how do I survive my kids to be unvaccinated. Can anyone share something helpful? Thank you

    • Cat says:

      HOMESCHOOL! It is awesome. Join a local homeschool support group and dive right in.

    • M Green says:

      First, I’d check out this map and see if you live in a state that allows you to exempt for philosophical reasons. Hopefully you do. http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx

      After that, I don’t know. Looks like you may be in a very long fight to get these exemptions–complete with lobbying and organizing.

    • Chris says:

      The nurses office has an exemption form.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Not everywhere, Chris. That’s why she needs to look up what the exemptions are in her state. Exemptions are extremely difficult to obtain in New York City, for instance.

    • Jackie Horton says:

      Ann – you do not need to belong to a church in order to have a moral conviction.

      How are religious beliefs defined by law?
      Religious practices are defined by law to include moral or ethical beliefs about what is right and wrong that are sincerely held with the strength of traditional views. – 29 C.F.R. §1605.1 The Military respects this law.
      The Supreme Court has held that “religious beliefs” do not need to include a belief in God in the western theological sense of the word. The beliefs only need to be “religious in nature” and “sincerely held.” See, e.g., Sherr and Levy vs. Northport East-Northport Union Free School District, 672 F. Supp. 81, 98 (E.D.N.Y., 1987) (holding that the state “must offer the exemption to all persons who sincerely hold religious beliefs. . .”).

      People are waking up to this madness. The fight is currently on in Cali against SB277 which seeks to eliminate our personal and religious belief exemptions.

    • Aleatha says:

      Yes, homeschool and stay out of the public system that insists on vaccinations. If you are in California, however, you are stuck.

      • Lynne says:

        Not justs California, but Mississippi also.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        California recently removed “personal belief exemptions” with a controversial new law, SB277, but grandfathers in existing exemptions while the child remains in the same school. Mississippi and West Virginia have NO exemptions other than medical, and Mississippi is among the states with the very worst record on children’s health.

    • Tonya Martone says:

      You have to get a religious exemption. Its very easy to get from the local health department in your city. Im not religious either. Unfortunatley, its the only way.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        It may be “very easy” to get a religious exemption from the local health department in YOUR city, but the difficulty varies across the country. It is not possible at all in West Virginia and Mississippi, and it is no longer possible in California for those who are not “grandfathered in.” In addition, states that DO have religious exemptions frequently make it very difficult. New York City has been taking over a year to decide and denying religious exemptions right and left.

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  25. Amazing research Beaker! This so sickens me. What have we done to the human race? I wish I could wake up from this nightmare! You are a researcher extraordinaire! I am so proud to be on teamtmr with you!!!

  26. Robert Wolfe says:

    Both of these cell lines are old enough that they could have come from fetuses of mothers who had received the SV40 contaminated polio vaccine. They might not be contaminated with SV40 itself, but could be contaminated with SV40s large T-antigen, which in itself can turn a cell toward becoming cancerous. I’m not saying that they are contaminated, but I sincerely doubt that big pharma has checked for either SV40, or its large and small t-antigens!

  27. Naiomi says:

    The worst part is what the number means. WI-38 means it was the 38th aborted fetus they tested to find the compatible cell type for the cell line. I am a catholic and heard this info on catholic radio before my kids were born and chose not to vaccinate for moral reasons.

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  29. MamaBear says:

    I am grandmother to a severely vaccine-injured child and a devout Catholic. It would be good to clarify the two links in your article.

    The report in the CDC web site comes from the Catholic Bishops Conference of England & Wales. It’s a bit of a reach for an American governmental agency to publish a 20-year old news release from a foreign country. Since this report is posted as part of the CDC “Immunization Managers” page, I think the aim is to convince those seeking religious exemption that vaccines are OK.

    The document link from Vatican, like the link from the UK. Bishops, concerns the ethical morality of using vaccines containing aborted fetal cells. The conclusion confirms that: “there is a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems.”

    (By the way, I could not find the link to “a post by a priest.” I would like to look that up if you could provide the link.)

    As a knowledgeable pro-life Catholic, I heard about the link between aborted fetal cells and vaccines years ago. My gut instinct tells me that having aborted cells in vaccines has done irreparable harm to our children.

    http://www.rtl.org/prolife_issues/LifeNotes/VaccinesAbortion_FetalTissue.html
    http://www.all.org/article/index/id/NDAzOQ

  30. Vforba says:

    If I am not mistaken when we initially started using fetal cells for creating things to use to help heal people like Parkinson’s Disease didn’t scientists eventually find out that while they thought these so-called blank fetal stem cells were the new cure all. But after much experimentation, they found that these cells could possibly mutate and cause all sorts of problems. Yet when stem cells taken from the patient themselves were much successful in helping or even curing people. So it only makes sense to me that if that is true and I have remembered correctly, the use of fetal stem cells are not at all safe. Because they have an instability and are constantly changing.

  31. Gayl Hamilton says:

    I am very much concerned with vaccine safety, and as a physician do not recommend any for any patient anymore. However, with the cell lines that are used for culture, technically the cells themself don’t go into the vaccine, but the viral particles are grown and extracted from them. That being said, no one has ever addressed the possibility of genetic material from the cell lines being transferred to the viral particles, or any particles genetic material/cellular debris actually passing into the solution the vaccines are delivered in.
    Any argument that we deliver in the name of vaccine safety needs to be pristine, because mainstream medicine is ready to jump down our throats for the least bit of a slip up!

  32. Susie says:

    Oh and FYI, Dr. Deisher, the founder of Sound Choice Pharmaceuticals as mentioned in the article, is one informed CATHOLIC!
    http://www.clmagazine.org/article/index/id/OTEyMw/

  33. Susie says:

    Joanna, did you read the link that was posted in the article from The Vatican? It does not say that they are “okay w/ vaccines because they think they are critical for health.” Please read it again. It actually says the opposite, that the faithful need to be given options other than those that contain aborted fetal DNA. And, the letter says that the faithful may make a conscientious objection to the vaccines that contain aborted fetal DNA. Here is an excerpt… “However, in this situation, the aspect of passive cooperation is that which stands out most. It is up to the faithful and citizens of upright conscience (fathers of families, doctors, etc.) to oppose, even by making an objection of conscience, the ever more widespread attacks against life and the “culture of death” which underlies them. From this point of view, the use of vaccines whose production is connected with procured abortion constitutes at least a mediate remote passive material cooperation to the abortion, and an immediate passive material cooperation with regard to their marketing. Furthermore, on a cultural level, the use of such vaccines contributes in the creation of a generalized social consensus to the operation of the pharmaceutical industries which produce them in an immoral way. Therefore, doctors and fathers of families have a duty to take recourse to alternative vaccines13 (if they exist), putting pressure on the political authorities and health systems so that other vaccines without moral problems become available. They should take recourse, if necessary, to the use of conscientious objection 14 with regard to the use of vaccines produced by means of cell lines of aborted human foetal origin. Equally, they should oppose by all means (in writing, through the various associations, mass media, etc.) the vaccines which do not yet have morally acceptable alternatives, creating pressure so that alternative vaccines are prepared, which are not connected with the abortion of a human foetus, and requesting rigorous legal control of the pharmaceutical industry producers.”

    It is unfortunate that not all of the faithful, laypersons and religious which would include priests, are not aware that The Vatican does support conscientious objection to the vaccines in question. Also, there is quite a bit of language in The Catechism of the Catholic Church, numerous encyclicals (writings from various Popes), and canon law that supports the faithfuls’ right and duty to fully research medical interventions for their families and to come to their own moral conclusions regarding those medical interventions which would include all vaccinations. You can see more from these sources here: http://www.cogforlife.org/catholic-exemptions/ I would encourage any Catholic who is seeking religious exemptions from vaccinations for their children to visit this page when writing their religious exemption. I have my own letter that I have used for three of my children who attended a Catholic preschool that went uncontested each time. It is extremely unfortunate that there are some Bishops and Diocese that continue to be unaware that they are not following Church Doctrine when some children have been denied their right to a religious exemption. However, at least in my state, private schools (Catholic or otherwise) are not required to honor religious exemptions. The faithful and all of those concerned should fight for these laws to be changed, so that all children have the right to attend private schools, regardless if they are fully vaccinated.

    I hope this clears up a bit some misconceptions regarding The Catholic Church and it’s beliefs regarding vaccinations in general. Please do not take one misinformed Priest’s words as dogma for what The Catholic Church actually teaches.

  34. Moma says:

    So what are we to do if our children are already vacinated or partially vaccinated?
    Also if they are not vaccinated and then develop something what do you do to treat?
    are there hollistic links or resources you use/recommend?

    • Levi says:

      Most infectious diseases are treatable. The biggest concern for most is dehydration. It’s important to keep children hydrated when they are ill and not to medicate with Tylenol. Tylenol impairs detoxification pathways that are needed to overcome illness. Specifically, polio and whooping cough are treatable with Vit C, measles with Vit A. Mercola.com has a lot of resources on this as well as NVIC.org and pathwaystofamilywellness.org

    • Tonya Martone says:

      chelation therapy. It is not covered by insurance. There were 9 holistic Drs murdered around the US on the same day. One of them was Dr bradstreet from Boca Raton Fl. They were all against vaccines. They were all treating victims of ADHD and Autism successfully. They were also all being contacted by the FBI before their deaths. After the murders, major cities were inoculated with the measels in an effort to scare the population into being vaccinated.

  35. LS says:

    “My people perish for a lack of knowledge”

    Hosea 4:6

  36. Joanna says:

    So, the Vatican is okay w/ vaccines because they think they are critical for health, but stem cells are a no-no? You can’t have it both ways…

  37. "Retired" scientist says:

    Your story sounds oddly similar to mine. I have a PhD in immunology and was a scientist working for a company that developed something called DNA vaccines, until my 5mo daughter started having nonstop seizures several weeks after her 4month vaccines. She was later diagnosed with mitochondrial disease, but I fully believe the vaccinations caused a decompensatuon event that led to her seizures and subsequent encephalopathy and significant developmental delay. I am now a stay at home scientist and my daughter never received another vaccine and my 2yr old son has never gotten one. I only wish I knew then what I know now…my 7yo daughter could be in a much different place right now.

  38. Great piece, but why do you think it’s just human DNA that could be a problem? I don’t see animal or virus DNA any less troublesome. They are all “foreign invaders”…

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Definitely! The polio vaccine was grown on monkey kidney cells and were contaminated with SV-40, which turns out to cause certain nasty cancers among other things. In addition the DNA could be doing funky things as well. The first thing that comes to mind for me, though, when I think about the idea of injecting human cells with adjuvants designed to stimulate antibody production, is that it could go a long way toward explaining the huge explosion in autoimmune conditions. In autoimmune conditions the body is attacking itself with antibodies specific to things that should be harmless. If the body makes antibodies against the “human” invader, those antibodies will eventually attack their human host as well.

      • The reason human DNA is more dangerous than animal DNA is because of what is known as “homologous recombination” where the DNA can insert itself into the vaccine recipient’s cells and yes – it sure can cause auto-immune disorders as well. DNA does not cross species so animal DNA is rejected – not absorbed. Dr Deisher’s work is critical. For more info please visit our website at http://www.cogforlife.org – we link directly to Dr Deisher as well.

      • Robert Wolfe says:

        I don’t feel the body is attacking itself. The diagnosis is dependent on finding antinuclear antibody. There are many viruses and bacteria that can get into a cell’s nucleus. The changes initiated by these microvermin are the reason that our immune system is going after the nucleus. There is no autoimmune disease! It isn’t an out of whack immune system, it’s an out of whack nucleus!

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        I’m not sure what diagnosis you’re talking about, but from what I know there are a number of different kinds of antibodies that the body can make that will make it attack itself. The particular antibodies in question determine where the attack takes place and what symptoms are produced. For example, the adjuvant squalene will cause antibodies to be created that attack squalene, which is normally located in the human body and concentrated in joints. Those antibodies then attack the joints. The antibodies can’t get rid of the squalene, because it isn’t a foreign invader. It belongs in the body in the first place. Thus the body is in a constant inflammtory state. In that sort of disease, there is no need for an out of whack nucleus

    • Tonya Martone says:

      They are not human foriegn invaders. Thats the difference. Example…cannibles were studies and found to be getting a disease that attacks there nerves in their brain. They were digesting the tissue. Im sure the effects are far worse if they are injected

    • William says:

      Human fetal DNA fragments disable immune system so it cannot destroy manufacturing DNA fragments which God given immune system did very efficiently. The human fetal DNA fragments now merge with child’s genome in process called Insertional Mutagenesis creating denovo mutations that start immune response sending antibodies to attack organs and autoimmune disease.

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  40. Amber says:

    I do remember reading that a lot of “psychiatric abortions” in those days were given to single moms. I’d have to find the link, but that was pretty common. Really, this is the worst of science from that era, kind of the remnants of Nazi-era disgusting junk. Why do we want the worst of science, instead of progressing?

  41. Amber says:

    Dr. Deisher investigated how much fetal tissue was actually in the vaccines (DNA) and it was higher than anticipated. I think the rationale is that the tissue is filtered out, but that is not actually happening in practice. Also, there was a lot of variability between batches (really, that could be a very common sense explanation as to why some kids get autism and others don’t). For more information I highly recommend visiting her Sound Choice Pharmaceuticals website, lots of research there. For the record, Dr. Deisher is a truly gifted scientist, with so much compassion for children. She also a big heart for our anaphylactic kiddos. Dr. Deisher, it would be great to hear your thoughts on causes behind the peanut allergy epidemic as well. Thank you for this great article Beaker.

    • Don Houston says:

      All vaccines contain traces of the culture medium in them. These contaminants could be removed but the effort and cost would make a considerable impact on profit margins. Many allergies can be traced to vaccines without much trouble, severe latex allergies from traces of latex in the hepatitis B vaccine, egg allergies from flu vaccines cultured on chicken eggs, beef, pork and sheep allergies to the bovine, ovine and porcine erythrocytes used a few years back to promote a stronger response to the blood serum from these animals used today.
      There is a thing called adjuvant in all modern vaccines and this is the most destructive component of vaccines because its purpose it to force your immune system to severely overreact. It is called an, enhanced reaction in the literature. No matter what the name given the effect on the immune system is devastating. Adjuvant is the prime drive behind allergies, inflammatory disorders, demyelination, autoimmunity, brain damage etc.
      And now we come to excipients. Excipients are supposedly biologically inert substances used in medications. In most cases biologically inert is an opinion rather than a fact. Because excipients are theoretically inert they are not required to be listed on vaccine package inserts. Peanut oil is used as an excipient (carrier) in many vaccines so when your immune system is driven to overreact and it comes across peanut oils and proteins it goes too far and you wind up with peanut allergies, serious peanut allergies.
      Sesame oil I believe is also used in some vaccines as an excipient.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Unfortunately, the peanut oil as excipient cannot be verified by ingredient lists anywhere. If you can find proof of that, that would be awesome.

        Also, not ALL modern vaccines contain adjuvants (the live-virus vaccines don’t). The adjuvants licensed in the United States are aluminum salts, which definitely have negative effects. But I spoke with Lucija Tomjlenovic a few months back and told her that a researcher I know is convinced that aluminum completely explains the increase in autism, etc. I said I wasn’t convinced. She said not only was she NOT convinced, she was convinced that it was NOT the only problem with vaccines. The intention behind a vaccine is hyperstimulation of the immune system. Repeated hyperstimulation of the developing immune system cannot help but have effects on said immune system, which in turn has direct effects on the neurological system. It is no wonder we are seeing large increases in neurological disorders.

  42. Sue says:

    As a Catholic mom of a child with vaccine-induced autism, I thank you for your research. I learned recently (after I stopped vaccinating my kids) about the aborted fetal tissue component in vaccines. This is not something that is well-known, and in fact, the Catholic schools near me require these vaccines for their kids to attend. I will be sure to pass this along to them!

    That said, I am disgusted by pretty much ALL of the ingredients in the vaccines my kids received: mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, bovine serum, aborted fetal tissue, etc. I can’t imagine anyone thinking that any of these ingredients are a good thing to inject in children. If only I knew then what I know now…

    • Beaker says:

      Thank you for your comments Sue. I too am upset by all the vaccine ingredients and when I realized the truth about these ingredients I too had a 😉 WINK moment (What I Now Know… read my chapter in the new TEAM TMR book for more WINKS!).

      Please pass along… Knowing this information NEEDS to be part of INFORMED consent BEFORE we inject our babies.
      Beaker

  43. Mama says:

    I was aware of this (after the fact for my kids) and find it concerning and odd. My question is, if the vaccines were “developed” from these fetuses lung tissue, how much of their DNA would be actually “contained” within today’s vaccines. I don’t know enough to know how developing something from something else translates into that something else being contained within the product. My simplistic mind would think that, of course, there would be at least trace amounts of something from the human DNA in the vaccines, but I am not sure. And, how could 2 fetuses’ lung tissues (which must not be that much tissue to start with?) serve to be contained within all the millions of vaccines that are out there? Does it “run out” at some point, or is it kind of like a yogurt culture that keeps perpetuating itself??? These are my questions…how much 1960s psychiatric aborted fetal tissue is actually in the vaccines?

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      The original cells from the fetus aborted back in the 1960s no longer exist, but tissue cultivated from those cells continues to be used in many ways. I think your first question is a great one for further research.

    • The DNA does not go away – never. If it did, the cell line would become unstable and unfit for virus cultivation. The cell line was established from the lung tissue – and that cell line is then cultured in the lab and allowed to grow. It is then frozen. When vaccines are made they will use the cell line, recultivate, refreeze, etc. Scientists state it would last for around 50 population doublings ( a long time) but it will eventually become unstable, unfit for vaccine use and die. The only cell lines that would live indefinitely are cancer cells.

    • Tonya Martone says:

      The cells are cultured and replicated. They are also frozen and thawed and refrozen consitintly

  44. Prosciencemom says:

    I would like to know what the “psychiatric reasons” were for the abortion that produced the MRC-5 line. Was the mother autistic?

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      I don’t think that you can get an answer to that. And it’s very, very unlikely. Autism was extremely rare in the 1960s. Of course, so were legal abortions.

    • Okay I actually asked this question when I first began investigating this 14 years ago. A visiting priest from the UK (where the MRC-5 abortion was done for “psychiatric reasons”) told me that this was a common excuse filed in paperwork after an abortion because – abortion was not legal at the time EXCEPT for “health of the mother” – and that included mental health. So he told me “It was done with a wink and a nod by the abortionist and mother who simply wanted an abortion and claimed she couldn’t endure having a child or some other such nonsense.”

    • Prosciencemom says:

      Yes, I understand what both of you are saying, but if there is any possible way to track down ANY information on the mother of that aborted fetus…wouldn’t it be interesting if the elusive “autism gene” they’ve wasted so much money looking for was actually injected into most of the population, starting in the 1960’s…that would explain why they are now so desperate to inject pregnant women with not just one but two vaccines. They know that people are going to be demanding studies on unvaccinated newborns. What better way to hide the link to vaccines than to make sure the baby is exposed to thimerosal-preserved AND aluminum-adjuvanted vaccines in utero?

      Back in the 1960’s, those extremely rare autistic people were institutionalized. Young women who were institutionalized for “mental” reasons at that time suffered all kinds of horrors, including rape, forced sterilization–and forced abortions…

      Sadly, I think you’re right, and that we will never be able to get an answer.

    • Jackie Horton says:

      sounds like a great lead for a great investigative story! Maybe we should get Sharyl Atkisson on it! 🙂

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