Teaching a “Skeptic” What “Critical Thinking” Really Means

Rockstar, badass, warrior mom, “Nora Nightmare” is a busy woman. In addition to homeschooling her two vaccine-injured sons, Nora is a college student and is carrying a 4.0 GPA. She is currently enrolled in a critical thinking class where the assignment was to watch the video Here Be Dragons by Brian Dunning and to write a response. Mr. Dunning is one of those folks who calls himself a “skeptic” and who appears to be under the delusion that doing so will somehow lend credibility to his senseless ramblings. Nora is not one to mince words when the truth is at stake. This was her beautifully written response to Mr. Dunning (for which she earned a well-deserved 100%).

— Marcella Piper-Terry


 

Dear Mr. Dunning,

You may be too busy to read this letter, since you are undoubtedly trying to clean up the mess that is your life after your little stint in prison (Federal Bureau of Investigation, US Attorney’s Office, Northern District of California, 2013). In April of 2013 you were convicted of wire fraud (USA vs. Dunning, 2010) and sentenced to 15 months and a hefty amount of fines. Now you have quite a bit in common with your buddy, Poul Thorsen. If you don’t recall who he is, you should take a refresher course so that when you promote the science he presents to support the lack of connection between the MMR vaccine and autism you know who you are backing. Mr. Thorsen was the principal investigator on the Danish studies. Those very studies are used by the American Academy of Pediatrics, the media, public health departments and pharmaceutical companies to promote vaccination.

In the words of Dr. Max Wiznitzer, “If you can’t trust the researcher, you can’t trust the research.” (Rohde, 2014) Which I thought you knew, Mr. Dunning. Of course, a crooked researcher is not the only thing amiss with the Danish studies. Firstly, the study took a look at data between the years of 1970-2000, but in 1995 they added Outpatient Clinics to their autism count. Before 1995 they did not include the clinics at all, which means the incidence rate was skewed. The entire increase after 1994 can be explained by registering an existing autism population (Madsen et al., 2003). Secondly, Denmark changed their diagnostic code, which further increased the rates. These statistical flaws prevent the ability to show correlation between two variables studied, because the methods used to track variables were changed mid-research. And that doesn’t even consider or include the information that Danish children received 75% less Thimerosal than American children did, they receive immunizations when they are older, and the U.S. autism rate is ten times the rate of Denmark. (Volume 150, Congressional Record. 13058, June 18, 2004. 2015) So you are comparing apples to oranges. But nice try Mr. Dunning.

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Nora’s son after anaphylactic reactions caused by vaccine injury

However, that isn’t even delving into the other ingredients of concern listed in black and white on the CDC website. Ingredients linked to a plethora of disease and injury, such as formaldehyde/formalin, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum citrate, aluminum phosphate, benzethonium chloride, fetal bovine serum, polysorbate 80, monkey kidney tissue, polymyxin, neomycin, yeast protein, cellular protein, soy peptone, MRC-5 human diploid cells, WI-38 human ling fibroblasts, insect cell protein, ovalbumin, egg protein, chick kidney cells, chick embryo fibroblasts, human serum albumin, phenol, monosodium glutamate, casein, porcine gelatin, guinea pig cell cultures and glutaraldehyde (Grabenstein, 2013) . . . just to name a few. I will wait for you to look those up individually along with the amount of micrograms injected per vaccination. Then you can add those together and tell me what you figure out. Take your time.

There is another study that people like you use to “debunk” the connection between autism and vaccination. It is called “The Verstraeten Study.” This was a neutral study, not a negative study (Verstraeten, 2003), which means the conclusion of the study carried a very distinct message: additional research is recommended because the investigators could neither confirm nor exclude an association. The author himself, Dr. Verstraeten, sent a letter to the Journal of Pediatrics to reiterate that it could not be used to claim there was no association.

But wait, there is more! Four reports were generated using data drawn from the Vaccine Safety DataLink (VSD). With each analysis statistically significant risks were downplayed or altogether eliminated. By reworking the data and adding variables, Verstraeten was able to manipulate the outcomes. In an email to the CDC by Verstraeten with the subject line “It just won’t go away,” he states that no matter how he slices it, it seems that harm is done to children within the first month of life, and he cannot find any other explanation of it besides vaccination injury (Verstraeten, 1999).

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Chronic urticaria from anaphylactic reactions

Mr. Dunning, sir, I am not saying you are wrong. I am only saying that the “proofs” you use to back up your claims are not based on sound science. Maybe there is no connection between vaccinations and autism. I am not saying that there is. But if there isn’t, why not take a real, hard, skeptical look? Because, as of now, there have been none. Regardless of what you think, there have been no studies to prove that the current schedule and vaccine load are safe, no studies on the safety of multiple simultaneous injection vs. placebo or the mixing of adjuvants, no long-term follow-up studies on the vaccination population or vaccinated vs. unvaccinated health outcomes. Vaccines are unavoidably unsafe and carry risks. The only studies available have major flaws and conflicts of interest. And while they may very well be right in the end, there isn’t a solid study that can be trusted enough to use in defense of vaccine safety. Vaccines are a multi-billion dollar industry, and there is quite the revolving door between the CDC, FDA and vaccine manufacturers. With so many hands in the pot, how can we know there isn’t financially influenced bias?

Maybe they don’t cause, or even correlate to an increased rate of autism. Maybe vaccines just cause encephalitis (H. E. Buttram, MD, 2015), seizures (Auvin et al., 2007), immune system deficiencies (Israeli, Agmon-Levin, Blank, Chapman & Shoenfeld, 2010), gastrointestinal problems (H. Vahedi, S. Merat, S. Momtahen, et al., 2009), emotional regulation dysfunction (Coulter, 1990), speech delays and tics (Hooker et al., 2014) and even Type 1 diabetes

(Prevalence of Autism is Positively Associated with the Incidence of Type 1 Diabetes, but Negatively Associated with the Incidence of Type 2 Diabetes, Implication for the Etiology of the Autism Epidemic, 2006).

Mr. Dunning, the science is clear, right? If only the science read like your rap sheet it might be easier to make such a bold statement.

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Severe eczema beginning post-vaccination that didn’t go away for two years

Back to your friend, Mr. Thorsen. He was also charged with wire fraud and it seems, similar to you, he also really likes to make (steal) illegal money. Thorsen submitted fraudulent invoices on CDC letterhead to medical facilities assisting in the research for reimbursement of work allegedly covered by the grants. He was supposed to use that money to investigate infant disabilities, autism, genetic disorders and fetal alcohol syndrome. The very money he was given to study the relationship between vaccines and autism, he sent to his own personal bank account and spent on a Harley Davidson, a home in Atlanta, an Audi, and who knows what else. It certainly wasn’t morals and truth, but I wouldn’t know because I have never been lacking. A total of one million dollars and 22 counts of wire fraud later, he is on the run and on the Office of Inspector General’s list of most wanted fugitives. But sure, Mr. Dunning, by all means, I am sure there is no correlation between his character and his career.

I would love to pick apart your entire video “Here be Dragons,” going down the list one by one and refute most of the ridiculous claims you made; from organic food being no more nutritious for you than GMO, to the lack of benefits of omega-3 fatty acid supplementation (are you serious, really?), but I would be wasting 40 precious minutes of my life. It is so funny to me that you would be the host of a program that claims it is the “Introduction to Critical Thinking” considering you don’t do much of it yourself. Nice book plug at the end of your little film too, by the way. However, the only way I will purchase your book is in order to burn it.

The logical part of my brain thinks I probably shouldn’t take advice from convicted felons, but everyone deserves a second chance, right? Which is why I forgive you, Mr. Dunning. I forgive you for just not knowing any better because you didn’t take the time to research. But, I have. I have spent countless hours, days, months and years sifting through the wreckage that is the scientific community, the catastrophe that is scholarly articles, and the destruction that is peer-reviewed medical journals. The 2,714 files I have saved on my computer may not prove that vaccinations are connection to autism, but they certainly don’t disprove it. Besides, autism is not my only concern. The 2,714 files on my computer do not prove that I am right, or that you are wrong. They only prove to me that I should pause and question everything. They prove to me that the science is not clear. And, until the science is, you will continue to have parents by the droves unwilling to vaccinate their children according the current CDC schedule of 28-35 individual shots for 23 different diseases (CDC, 2015).

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The cellulitis begins

I don’t blame you for not knowing. Was it your child who suffered a permanent injury from the DTaP at two years old? Was it your child who has an immunologist-verified vaccine injury and a medical exemption excluding him from further vaccination? Was it your child who was healthy and thriving until he received his fourth DTaP shot and then immediately suffered cellulitis and anaphylaxis? Did you have to sit up for hours and hours with your screaming child because his body was covered in puss filled, bloody sores? Was it your child who has mast cell activation disorder, triggered by vaccination and has to carry around an EpiPen for the rest of his life? No? Well, then how could I expect you to know, sir?

Either way, enough of that. I simply want to know at what point did questioning the status quo become a bad thing? Isn’t that what you promote? What you supposedly attempt to teach me, and others like me, is to question everything. That includes, but is not limited to, you. You may have got the award for “Outstanding contributions to science and skepticism” from a group called “Independent Investigations Group”; however, I did my own independent investigation and found out they are just another made-up, skeptic front group. So that is basically like Merck paying for a study to prove their vaccines are safe.

Your credentials mean nothing, Mr. Dunning.

Sincerely,

~ Nora Nightmare

 

References

 

Auvin, S., Shin, D., Mazarati, A., Nakagawa, J., Miyamoto, J., & Sankar, R. (2007). Inflammation Exacerbates Seizure-induced Injury in the Immature Brain. Epilepsia, 48(s5), 27-34. http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1528-1167.2007.01286.x

Benedelman.org,. (2015). Affiliate Fraud Litigation Index. Retrieved 1 November 2015, from http://www.benedelman.org/affiliate-litigation/

Coulter, H. (1990). Vaccination, social violence, and criminality. Berkeley, Calif.: North Atlantic Books.

Buttram, MD, H. E.(2015). Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) Vaccine as a Potential Cause of Encephalitis (Brain Inflammation) in Children-Harold E. Buttram, MD. Whale.to. Retrieved 17 October 2015, from http://www.whale.to/v/buttram.html

Federal Bureau of Investigation, US Attorney’s Office, Northern District of California,. (2013). Laguna Niguel Man Pleads Guilty to Defrauding eBay.

Grabenstein JD. ImmunoFacts: Vaccines and Immunologic Drugs – 2013 (38th revision). St. Louis, MO: Wolters Kluwer Health, 2012. Retrieved 19 October 2015 from http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

Hooker, B., Kern, J., Geier, D., Haley, B., Sykes, L., King, P., & Geier, M. (2014). Methodological Issues and Evidence of Malfeasance in Research Purporting to Show Thimerosal in Vaccines Is Safe. Biomed Research International, 2014, 1-8. http://dx.doi.org/10.1155/2014/247218

Iafusco, D., Vanelli, M., Songini, M., Chiari, G., Cardella, F., & Fifi, A. et al. (2006). Type 1 Diabetes and Autism Association Seems to Be Linked to the Incidence of Diabetes. Diabetes Care, 29(8), 1985-1986. http://dx.doi.org/10.2337/dc06-0842

Israeli, E., Agmon-Levin, N., Blank, M., Chapman, J., & Shoenfeld, Y. (2010). Guillain–Barré Syndrome — A Classical Autoimmune Disease Triggered by Infection or Vaccination. Clinical Reviews In Allergy & Immunology, 42(2), 121-130. http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s12016-010-8213-3

Kennedy, R. (2014). Thimerosal: Let the Science Speak. New York, NY: Skyhorse Publishing.

Madsen, K., Lauritsen, M., Pedersen, C., Thorsen, P., Plesner, A., Andersen, P., & Mortensen, P. (2003). Thimerosal and the Occurrence of Autism: Negative Ecological Evidence From Danish Population-Based Data. Pediatrics, 112(3), 604-606. http://dx.doi.org/10.1542/peds.112.3.604

Malekzadeh, F., Alberti, C., Nouraei, M., Vahedi, H., Zaccaria, I., Meinzer, U., . . . Hugot, J. (2009). Epidemiologic Characteristics of 500 Patients with Inflammatory Bowel Disease in Iran Studied from 2004 through 2007. Gastroenterology, 12(5), 454-460. Retrieved October 28, 2015.

Office of Inspector General, D. (2015). Profiles | OIG Most Wanted Fugitives | Fraud | Office of Inspector General | U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Oig.hhs.gov. Retrieved 1 November 2015, from http://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp

Recommended Immunization Schedules for Persons Aged 0 Through 18 Years UNITED STATES, (2015). Retrieved October 20, 2015, from http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf

Rohde, W. (2014). The Vaccine Court. Skyhorse Publishing.

Thimerosal and the Occurrence of Autism: Negative Ecological Evidence From Danish Population-Based Data, 
Kreesten M. Madsen, Marlene B. Lauritsen, Carsten B. Pedersen, Poul Thorsen, Anne-Marie Plesner, Peter H. Andersen and Preben B. Mortensen Pediatrics 2003;112;604-606 DOI: 10.1542/peds.112.3.604

USA vs. Dunning (U.S. District Court California Northern District 2010).

Verstraeten, T. (1999, December 17). It just won’t go away. Retrieved from http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/2.7.pdf

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30 Responses to Teaching a “Skeptic” What “Critical Thinking” Really Means

  1. KristenM says:

    FYI - Poul Thorsen has never been the “Principal Investigator”or lead author for ANY study related to vaccines or otherwise. Go to PubMed and search for “Thorsen P” and you’ll find 129 citations. Historically, Poul Thorsen’s involvement with research projects has largely been administrative in nature and his well known fraudulent activities were financial in nature.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      You’re right; “Principal Investigator” is the wrong term to describe Thorsen’s involvement, but that by no means minimizes or exonerates his contribution. To say that his “involvement with research projects has largely been administrative in nature” might make his role sound unimportant to the layman, but to someone who knows that “the administrator” of a grant (someone who might be in a position to defraud the grantors of a million dollars, for instance) is often the person who decides WHAT gets published.

      For example, Thomas Verstraeten is the principal investigator on this study: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/112/5/1039, but he most certainly did NOT call the shots on what eventually got published or how it was interpreted as FOIA requests have clearly shown. There were no less than four different analyses done of the the data, each more nonsensical than the last, until a strong association between Thimerosal and neurological disorders was watered down to a very weak association.

      Look at the emails Verstraeten sent to Robert Davis and Frank DeStefano, the second and third authors on his study: http://www.safeminds.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/GenerationZeroPowerPoint.pdf. Then check out the transcripts of the secret Simpsonwood meeting held to disclose the earlyish findings to those the CDC deemed most affected by the news, vaccine manufacturers and government agencies: http://thinktwice.com/simpsonwood.pdf.

      The information was not released to the general public until the strong positive association was whitewashed away. Then the CDC tried to point to this study as “proof” that “vaccines don’t cause autism.” That was too much for even Thomas Verstraeten, the CDC’s willing lackey, to take. He wrote in a letter to Pediatrics, the journal that published the study:

      “Surprisingly, however, the study is being interpreted now as negative [where ‘negative’ implies no association was shown] by many . . . . The article does not state that we found evidence against an association, as a negative study would. It does state, on the contrary, that additional study is recommended, which is the conclusion to which a neutral study must come… A neutral study carries a very distinct message: the investigators could neither confirm nor exclude an association, and therefore more study is required” (Verstraeten, 2004). http://autismrawdata.net/1/post/2012/11/november-19th-2012.html

  2. Jeanmarie says:

    Thanks for taking this on. I’m quite familiar with Mr. Dunning’s work. I only wish you hadn’t started with reference to his criminal record, which makes it less likely that he or his followers would actually persist reading and bennefit from your message. I think it could be better incorporated lower down, or even at the end. But thanks again for all your good work.

  3. Amy C says:

    Persuasive piece of writing by Nora.

    Why is it that some today believe you need to have a PhD to wipe your own ass?
    The fact that the injuries reflected in the posted photos mirror the injuries of tens of thousands of other children is enough to attract diligent and urgent inquiry isn’t it?

    My degree in autism began when my kids were aged 18 months. It’s probably one of the longest degrees out there, 17 years and counting. At it’s core is attrition. This degree was never meant to and probably never will end which is why there’s no graduation ceremony, no need for a photo opportunity.

    You can’t study this degree at university. It’s strictly online and self study. It’s also quite pricey and only 1 in 50 or so people get to study it. That seems to be changing rapidly though. It seems the extortionate and prohibitive fees will remain the same though. You require at least one sacrificed child or loved one in order to enrol.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Amy, you write beautifully. Care to extend this into a blog post?

      • Amy C says:

        If we all had more time, we could write more persuasive pieces. I don’t.

        Yet, much more needs written about what critical thinking actually means (or is translated to mean) in the world of today.

        Very few Socrates or Thomas Aquinas exist in 2015. Instead, most (including our kids at school) are pressured and often succumb to ridicule, intimidation and rejection if they do not conform to the new paradigm that twists & influences thinking: cognitive dissonance, financial gain and politically correct beliefs/language.

        Critical thinking is very much about challenging beliefs. The very simple question starting with, “why do you believe that?” is viewed by many today as a personal attack.

        Mention autism and vaccines in the same sentence and it is highly likely you will be confronted with a barrage of someone else’s unwanted beliefs with nary a shred of evidence to back them up. They don’t need to answer why they believe Why should they? CNN and FOX have their back.

        They eat the garbage presented to them on a porcelain plate by the media, by colleges and universities and by their own peers and friends. Only doctors and media spinmasters making 6 figure salaries are entitled to ask questions.

        The same often applies regarding public action. Woe betide to anyone falling ill on the street. Hordes of passersby will gawk at you, but it’s highly likely not one of them will provide you any assistance.

        Only ‘experts’ can move you into a recovery position. Only ‘experts’ can check you aren’t choking on your false teeth. Only ‘experts’ can bring you to morgue after the others watched you die.

        You think you saw vaccines throw your kid under a train? You think you can bring your child back from his injuries?

        Yes.
        I saw, I thought, I acted.

        I’m a cast member in the longest running play in history
        and everyone’s a critic, but without the thinking.

      • Hans Scholl says:

        It doesn’t often happen let me tell you .
        But I totally agree with Prf TMR on this .

        Amy you need to write for us (the militant parents).
        this level of acerbic wit is electric - what a weapon .

  4. Theo Farmer says:

    Parents who vaccinate their children are not being critical thinkers. They have not been trained in critical thinking and are giving their power over to a system that, when critical thinking is applied, is clearly malevolent. It serves the system to weaken children and create more long-term customers. The system uses fear to control, and parents are making decisions based on fear, not on critical thinking. A good path to help parents develop a library for critical thinking with respect to child development and child rearing has two critical components:
    1. study Linus Pauling, specifically his turn toward “the dark side” in recommending that people learn more about the biochemistry of and the human relationship with vitamin C. Follow Pauling’s pointers, thoroughly study the papers of Robert Cathcart and Fred Klenner in particular (Cathcart to remove your fear of disease and to gain an understanding of why vaccine’s are not needed, Klenner for pregnancy and child development), Steven Hickey is a current scientist to follow w/r to vitamin C.
    2. look at the historical relationship of the human child with the farm and farm animals, particularly with raw cow’s milk. Remedies for vaccine injury will include steady intake of high-doses of vitamin c and balancing minerals and building healthy gut immunity through raw cow’s milk, fermented raw milk products, and exposure to farm dander and farm animals at an early age.

  5. I am a single mom with two boys on the spectrum. I am also a doc who worked with the department of health for 12 years here in the Philippines. Always suspected vaccine induced induced autism on my kids yet i worked twelve years to sell the vaccine to people who have no idea how to question a freebie allegedly to protect their kids from deadly diseases. I know our situation in here is multi factorial, mostly economics if i must say so,
    In the end i would say it is also economics to get the help for kids on the spectrum and where does the government play in all these kids they give free vaccines to?

  6. Michelle says:

    I was ready to jump in with both feet, but so many intelligent, well spoken people have responded. Will, our stories sound similar.

    Nora is well spoken, intelligent, and backs all of her statements with credible sources. Our movement is lucky to have such a dedicated, witty, and passionate member.

  7. Jennifer Forsyth says:

    None of this is critical thinking and none of this proves anything. It’s a bunch of yelling and railing like a comic book guy yelling about the new Star Wars movie. The fact is, you are not a scientist. You do not have the background or the degree/knowledge to interpret the data like you think you do. And by the way, when you label your sons vaccine-injured, you’re not giving much of a chance and you’re not doing much for their self esteem either. You put together a nice college- level paper here, but it’s not peer-reviewed or filled with the proper knowledge needed to interpret the science required. You had a bad experience and for that we all are truly sorry, but it doesn’t make you a scientist. And for goodness sake would all of you please stop calling your kids names! How awful for them to have to hear how injured and worthless they are all the time!

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      I guess you don’t have any argument about the actual content of the article or you’d have mentioned it.

      Exactly how does “injured” make someone worthless? My son was injured on a glass table in a pillow fight. He was bleeding profusely and required 12 stitches to close the gash in his cheek. Did it “damage” him? You betcha. His cheek will always have the scar. Does that make him worth even one smidge less than he was before? HELL NO. Clearly Nora’s son WAS “injured” by his vaccine. You may not like that, but pretending that is not the case doesn’t do him or anyone else any good.

      As far as the data is concerned, Brian Dunning is not a scientist either. He’s a professional “skeptic.” You don’t seem to think that disqualifies him from thinking or expressing an opinion. Neither does it disqualify Nora. Would that Mr. Dunning had done anywhere near the research or critical thinking that Nora has done, he might be a REAL skeptic. Those have value to the world. The kind Mr. Dunning represents? Not so much.

      • Amanda Rohl says:

        I don’t see Nora claiming to be a scientist, but she sure did provide the readers with some science to research themselves.

        I also don’t think she ever said anything about her son being worthless. If he was so worthless, she probably wouldn’t have figured all of this out for him! Hmmph.

        If it is a college level paper, she probably has taken college level statistics and research classes which makes her pretty qualified to interpret data. So, there’s that too. And there is also the fact that you don’t actually know if she has the degree or knowledge to interpret data so…

        Did you have something to say about the content? No? Ok then.

      • Amanda Rohl says:

        Oh, and it also sounds to me like the DOCTOR labeled her son vaccine injured so maybe you should call him up and ask him not to do that because it is ohhhh so mean.

    • Will Andersen says:

      I just yelled to my wife that we should stop calling forced sex by a stranger, ‘rape’ and the victims ‘rape victims’ - because someone online said that victims of malfeasance and crime should not be singled out for identification as it ‘doesn’t give the victim much of a chance.’ As if you possess a license to call a crime something else… yeah right. And of course, we are “not scientists” - therefore we should just sit idly by while our futures, hopes, dreams, legacy are shattered by the forcefully ignorant?

      So, unless I am a criminologist - I guess I should not report my home burglarized, or a crime spree in my neighborhood.

      So, unless I am a geneticist - I should not report being raped or a serial rapist in my apartment complex.

      So, unless I am a political science PhD - I should not have any say in my government, or speak up when I see it corrupted.

      So, unless I have my vote peer reviewed, I should not go to a ballot box, and am not qualified to review the election results.

      The simple fact is that many of us ARE qualified to review studies, ARE qualified and hold the degrees to review the data. Do, publish studies for a living. What we are saying is that with the right political will, ANY scientific view can be fraudulently crafted and foisted on victims. But even if we did not hold those quals:

      We are Americans and hold the right to final say in matters of social conscience.

      My son was injured by a vaccine. He is not an exception. He does not even know this because we have never mentioned it to him. We let him live and express his life to the fullest, with the best of tailored educational opportunities. Some of which, so called ‘skeptics’ tried to have shut down until we got our legislature to intervene and protect those businesses.

      This issue is not over, and you underestimate the will of those on this side of the equation by a long shot.

      pardon the pun
      Will

    • Terri Willcocks says:

      Did you READ the article? It is clear that you have voiced an opinion backed up with practically nothing. Such “opinions” are always so tiresome! It is advisable to do some homework/research before attempting to form a coherent opinion and before wading into such a critical issue involving life and death. An opinion on this topic deserves a little more effort on your part.

    • Jennifer Power says:

      Well, Jennifer, at least you have come to the right place to re-educate yourself. Sit back, open your eyes and begin your journey! Maybe someday YOU will be able to prevent a child from sustaining a vaccine-related injury.

      Knowledge = Power

  8. Will Andersen says:

    As the father of a child permanently disabled with encephalopathy from a 6 week long severe reaction to the DTaP vaccine given at age 6 months, I want to lend my voice behind this cause - Because the doctors recognized the severe reaction as a Vaccine Injury Event, our clock started ticking then, and we were unaware that we were in jeopardy from our draconian medical laws. We were unable to be covered by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation fund as a result because we were unable to detect the encephalopathy inside the fraudulent Big Pharma Protective Period of Limitation (2 years from first observation of the reaction). It was not until my child was beginning to concern his K-5 teacher that we, his teachers, and our doctors were able to ascertain that something was wrong - and what had occurred.

    How many other millions of persons have been damaged along the spectrum to this severity, and also do not show up in the statistics? As a victim of this charade of false correctness - I want change. People should go to jail, but the reality is, that there is ALWAYS a way to hide the data. ALWAYS a way to cheat the studies. Always a way to fund or legislatively influence your way out of the truth.

    Now at age 14, my son cannot tell time or count change. This was a brain injury sustained during a hellish 6 weeks of suffering, in the reaction he had from the DTaP Vaccine.

    This debate is not some intellectual game, where fakers like Dunning get to show how snappy pants skeptical they can be. This is people’s lives, this is suffering, this is our national security at stake here.

    The health of our children demands our most diligent objective review. Not the typical dismissive baloney we get from those who only give a damn about their celebrity and appearing to always be correct.

    Well done Thinking Moms
    WA1984

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Beautifully said, Will. “This debate is not some intellectual game, where fakers like Dunning get to show how snappy pants skeptical they can be. This is people’s live, this is suffering, this is our national security at stake here.”

      And I second the question of how many millions have neurological or other physical damage that is less severe but impairing their overall health and well-being. The only way to answer that question is to do a true fully vaccinated vs. fully unvaccinated health outcome comparison. Of course, it’s likely that many of the fully unvaccinated are in the more “likely” category when it comes to neurological issues already as many were not vaccinated because they are related to people who WERE harmed by one or more vaccines.

    • Amanda Rohl says:

      I am so sorry about your child. The DTaP seems to be a very common source of injury for many.

      Great addition to this comment section.

      Peace be with you, fellow warrior.

  9. Jen Bennett says:

    I was told when you study sciences at any major university, they teach the eager students that, “nothing can be proven, it can only be disproven”. This is a malpractice of science! Nothing can be proven or disproven because as we evolve our consciousness is shifting with the current movement of facts. When you are looking to disprove something you are limiting the possibility, because it couldn’t be seen or found, the door is closed. That is not science! That is the dumbing down of curious minds, and sometimes those minds are of brilliant people that have been corrupted by impossible imaginations of others.

  10. Val says:

    Beautifully written! The clarity in which you speak the truth is spectacular. You are a warrior who will continue to pave the way for helping all our children bringing the truth forward YET again!

  11. I stopped calling them skeptics years ago. They are not skeptics.

    They are Contrarians.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      I don’t think I ever called them “skeptics.” They are certainly “skeptical” about some things, but about others? Not at all. The main attitude does seem to be “I think you’re an idiot for whatever it is you are doing, thinking, or feeling — unless it fits all my preconceived notions about how the world works and it’s exactly the same as I do.” Ick.

    • Plum Remson says:

      Exactly, Ginger. Or as the @EthicalSkeptic puts it: “methodical cynics”. I highly recommend his/her very detailed writings on the differences between “fake” and authentic skeptics: http://theethicalskeptic.com/2015/04/08/a-new-ethic/

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        “Methodical cynics”? I love it.

        “When philosophers speak of skepticism being the foundation of science, they are not referring to the unbridled spewing of methodical cynicism and prejudicial doubt which is practiced by those who today pretend to be, or assume the mantle of representing, science. Skepticism carries no agenda, save for the idempotent ethic of defending the knowledge development process. It challenges manipulation of data and methods on the part of agenda carrying agents. These agents enforce their agenda through fear, defamation, surreptitious malevolent activity, social control, ethnic disdain, tortious interference, business tampering, murder, squelching of ideas, observations or persons, media domination, propaganda, mafia and elite power. This all oriented towards the desired state of a particular cultivated ignorance.

        Skepticism is the complement of sound science, not the privilege sword of a few pretenders. It is the handiwork of those who possess the grace, integrity and acumen requisite in the wielding of great ideas.”

        I love this: “As my favorite professor in Standard Model particle physics used to say to me, “It is not the correctness of your answer I want you to demonstrate, rather the rigor and quality of your thinking.” The rigor and quality of our thinking has been sacrificed at the alter of authorized correctness masquerading as science.”

    • Jeanmarie says:

      I call them “professional skeptics.” “Contrarian” is probably even more accurate!

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