What Are MRC-5 and WI-38? And Why Are They in Vaccines?

PrintFor the past few years, I have been researching the ins and outs of how our bodies handle toxins and where those toxins come from. When I come across an ingredient I cannot pronounce, a chemical I have never heard of, or an unintelligible acronym, I do what any person (I hope) would do . . . I Google it!

Recently, I came across this list on the CDC’s website that shows the ingredients in vaccines on the market in the United States.  These ingredients have been of concern to me after learning about many children who have regressed after vaccination, many of whom also have mitochondrial disease, immune deficiency or other metabolic and immune challenges. It has led me to wonder, is there possibly an ingredient in the vaccine that could cause a child to have a reaction that leads to regression?

mouseTwo of the many ingredients listed which I was unfamiliar with seemed like they were written in code, but what caught my eye was these words: “human-diploid fibroblast cell cultures.”  Did that mean what I thought it meant? I’d better look this one up!

So I researched them, and here is what I found:

The vaccines that contained these ingredients include:

DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
Hep A (Havrix)
Hep B (Engerix-B)
Hep A/Hep B (Twinrix)
MMRV (ProQuad)
Rabies (Imovax)
Varicella (Varivax)
Zoster (Shingles – Zostavax)

MRC-5 (Medical Research Council -5):

“The MRC-5 cell line was developed in September 1966 from lung tissue taken from a 14 week fetus aborted for psychiatric reason from a 27 year old physically healthy woman. The cell morphology is fibroblast-like. The karyotype is 46,XY; normal diploid male. Cumulative population doublings to senescence is 42-48. G6PD isoenzyme is type B.”

Source: Coriell Institute for Medical Research


WI-38 (Wistar Institute-38):

“The WI-38 cell line was developed in July 1962 from lung tissue taken from a therapeutically aborted fetus of about 3 months gestational age. Cells released by trypsin digestion of the lung tissue were used for the primary culture. The cell morphology is fibroblast-like. The karyotype is 46,XX; normal diploid female. A maximum lifespan of 50 population doublings for this culture was obtained at the Repository. A thymidine labelling index of 86% was obtained after recovery. G6PD is isoenzyme type B. This culture of WI-38 is an expansion from passage 9 frozen cells obtained from the submitter.”

Source: Coriell Institute for Medical Research

fetusSooooo, if I am reading this right, two of the ingredients in vaccines that we give babies, toddlers and children, contain aborted fetal cell from the 1960s? Ummmm. I don’t think I was INFORMED of that prior to my child receiving said vaccines, were you?? What is more troubling to me than that (along with the moral, ethical and religious ramifications) is that the information provided about these cells is very limited, meaning if they were “tested” to be safe and healthy in the 1960s, are they necessarily safe and healthy cells in today’s world? And what is the impact on a human baby being injected with another fetus’s (possibly of a different sex) cells? Is it possible that the baby’s body may think they are foreign and attack them? Is it possible the baby’s body may get confused and attack its own cells? Is it possible the fetus’s DNA from these cells can recombine with the baby’s cells and insert its DNA?

I am a Christian woman, not Catholic, but consider myself a moral and ethical person with moral and ethical beliefs.  I have asked a number of my Catholic friends about their take on this information, thinking surely in their church community it is an open discussion topic, based on the Catholic Church’s beliefs on abortion. I have been met with shock and awe. I have not found a Catholic friend yet, who is aware that these ingredients exist in vaccines, let alone the impact on the church’s (and their) belief system.

As I continued to dig into these ingredients, I found on the CDC website this statement (giving me pause and reassurance that someone, other than myself may be questioning this). I went on to find this statement from the Vatican (again proof that there were other thinking moms out there, well before this came on my radar!) I also found this post by a priest who also has a science background and who encourages vaccination “because vaccinations are critical to preventing very serious, life-threatening diseases, and to safeguarding large segments of the population from cataclysmic disease outbreaks and epidemics.”  It blows my mind that even those in the priesthood believe that God got this whole immunity thing messed up when he created us and that vaccines are the only thing that will protect us.

outragedAs I kept digging and searching I came across Dr. Deisher’s research. Dr. Deisher founded a company called Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute to promote consumer awareness about the widespread use of electively aborted fetal material in drug discovery, development and commercialization. I came across this presentation Dr. Deisher presented in 2013 at Autism One, concluding that autism change points correspond to switching from animal to human fetal cell lines for vaccine manufacturing.

You can also watch here Dr. Deisher’s testimony at the Minnesota House of Representatives on vaccine safety.  She presents research demonstrating a link between the rise in the rates of autism and the use of aborted fetal cells in the production of vaccines.

So my question to you . . .

toxinsDid you know there are aborted fetus cells in your child’s vaccines (and if you vaccinated your child, like we did, those cells have been injected into your child’s body)?

And if so, do you think it is safe? Or do you take pause, like me, and wonder what the impact on an entire generation of children may be?


~ Beaker

Beaker started her professional career in the lab as a bewildered chemist who often felt she was a round peg in a square hole! After the birth of her children and the unexpected medical journey that her youngest would take their family on, she found out the EXACT reason she had that chemistry degree and put it to good use as she set out to restore her children’s health. Along the way she found her true calling: sharing their family’s experience with other mothers and helping them improve the quality of life of their children, by staying true to their guiding light . . . their God-given mother’s instinct.

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232 Responses to What Are MRC-5 and WI-38? And Why Are They in Vaccines?

  1. Julie Jo says:

    I just found out about this. I’m so upset that this is ok. I just finished watching Dr. Judy Mikovitz’ video. Wow! https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=eD_g7xDX1zU# Check it out. No more vaccines for me if they contain MRC-5 or WI-38. Putting someone else’s cells in your body has to have an impact. Does this mean my DNA test is wrong? I would love to know the true impacts

    • Cary says:

      Guess what ?!?!? Your u tube post has been deleted !!!! Just like many others they are trying to cover all this up it’s sick sick sick – we are being lied to by our governors and I am appalled !!!!! I would be intersted if you found any other video explanations about these ingredients ??? Thank you I appreciate

  2. Bobbie Barr says:

    If all of you people, that are more well informed than I am, chose not to agree, how do I know what is and isn’t true.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      You don’t know without doing the research yourself. Read the “official” line at the CDC or elsewhere, then go to pubmed and do a keyword search. Read AT LEAST the abstract for anything you find. While you’re at it, do a Google search and read some blogs on the subject. Read the studies and research that the blogs are based on and make your own conclusions.

      • Simone says:

        This Judy Mikovitz video has been deleted! Any other place to find it?

        There are more concerning ingredients found in vaccines
        Human albumin
        Human cell Line: PER C6 from the 1980s
        African green monkey kidney cells
        Chick embryo cells
        Chinese hamster ovary cells
        Dog kidney cells
        Mouse brain cells
        and many more

  3. Gabriel says:

    Are the same fetal cells initially used to grow the cultures still being used today? How could tissue from a small fetus obtained 50 years ago still be viable to grow vaccines? Are these companies using new tissue from recently aborted fetuses?

    Thank you.

    • Diane says:

      I, too, would like to know just how long these cells from aborted babies last. Are companies using new cells from aborted babies

      Also, please don’t criticize the Catholic Church in this regard. Priests can’t be expected to know everything about biology. Some make it their business to know because they were biologists prior to being ordained, but the ordinary parish priest knows nothing of this. Nor did I while raising my children. We trusted our doctors. Oh how foolish…

    • Andrea says:

      The cells from the aborted fetus were reproduced in a laboratory. They discovered that they could keep the cells from this individual growing, so they have kept that line growing, and kept reproducing them. It is very rare to find a human cell line that can be continually reproduced. When one is found, it will he turned into a business, continually reproduced and sent to labs all over the world for research and as an ingredient.
      I learned all about this by reading ‘The Immortal Life of Henrietta Flacks’. There is also a movie starring Oprah Winfrey.
      So the cells from the aborted fetus have been continually reproduced since the 1960’s, and used as an ingredient in vaccines.

      • Dorothy Diana says:

        And they are cancer cells. That is why theY successfully continue to reproduce. Notice what has happened to cancer rates?

  4. Jennifer says:

    Oh, the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church. I was raised Catholic, but no longer practice. I consider myself Christian, but no denomination. The CC claims vaccines are for the “greater good” You can’t be pro life and pro vaccine. I am pro choice on both! I would love to stand outside a Catholic Church after mass some Sun. with signs informing people that may not know that many of the vaccines they are injecting their children with contain aborted fetal cells….

    • Larry says:

      It’s 2020 and Covid_19 is here. They are going to force vaccines upon all the population against their will, it will kill and harm many people, many more than Covid-19 has done. I am not afraid of Covid-19, I am afraid of the government, they are going to destroy many families .

      • I agree. We should be informed as to what exactly are we being told to put into our own bodies and into our own child’s body and what are the possible side effects. We should then be allowed to make our own decision. In a perfect world, but not this one. It is not part of the plan. Do your best to know what to do. Godspeed.

      • NancySophie says:

        England will start next week with the vaccin. I didn’t know this stam cell production. I’m wondering who is really winning. But how come that worldwide the same perception has develop. And why the censor on social media? I always told consperity was a hoax, or just a story. But now I wonder, do I live in the Trumanshow! I 60 plus, not afraid of the Sars-Covid2, but the mandaat they are rolling out over me/us. I like to have a real free choice, so that I can say, Yes or No.

  5. Barbara says:

    All diseases are manmade period and the cdc and the rest of these inhuman bastards will be going to jail for it!

  6. Chris says:

    Just came across this yesterday so I’m late to the discussion. I’ve gone through most of the comments. Some I’ve found very informative. By way of introduction my second child is Autistic. Three days after his MMR vaccination, 18 years ago, he contracted serious purulent fever and started to scream wildly. Within a week he stopped to talk and remained non-talking for 3 years (until I learnt to use a simplified sign language with him, Makaton, which made tremendous change, as well as diet change). My initial and very surprising response when I looked at him then was, ‘This child is regressing’. I had no idea what autism was, never heard of it but my observation of my son was clear enough. A familiar story to most here, alas. He got his MMR vaccine in Stockholm from Mercks in Dec-2000.

    Being born before all these vaccinations I did contract Measles and Rubella. In fact whenever we had a case of Rubella while in junior school in Paris in the ’60s, the school principle would send a letter to all the parents making sure that ALL kids SHOULD BE EXPOSED to it as soon as possible, especially girls (rubella can have very detrimental effects on the foetus if the mother contracts it in pregnancy). And so we got it and after 15 days at home nursing we’d go back to school. I also recall one of my neighbour of the same age as I, as having Polio, despite compulsory inoculation.

    Some years back I watched an interview of Pr. Montagnier, the french virologist who won the 2008 Nobel prize for his co-discovery of the HIV virus, and I was stunned by what he said on the subject. To paraphrase and please check it out for yourself on Youtube or elsewhere, “A healthy human being with a healthy immune system will be confronted with the HIV virus several times during his or her lifetime and will successfully get rid of it. Instead of wasting so much money on vaccines, a simpler and more cost effective solution would be to ensure that people in Africa have access to clean water, clean hygiene practices and clean wholesome food so that they can build-up a healthy immune system”.

    How about that?

    So that sent me onto a search for what does constitute a healthy immune system. And back to Pasteur the father of vaccines. At the time there were two schools of thoughts, inoculate, fight, make war against external disease, Pasteur, or whether unfavorable host and environmental conditions destabilize the host’s native microzymas (enzymes), whereupon they decompose host tissue by producing pathogenic bacteria, Antoine Béchamp. Basically inoculation through the blood versus keeping oneself in tip top form through the guts.

    Sounds familiar?

    I guess this argument is back today so I will give you a short cut to what could be a long winded research and story.

    In the late 19th C to early 20th C another French scientist, René Quinton, proposed that the water in which human cells live is similar to that of the oceans and more especially blood plasma (99% similar proven today). From then on he extracted that ocean water in special zone at special depth, reduced the salinity to human blood levels and injected such water to the human blood stream to fight both the Spanish Flu, Rickets and the Plague in Egypt. It worked so well that Arm Forces in many countries around the world still use that “Blood Plasma” in war theatre instead of human blood plasma (no need for rhesus). As an aside, it is forbidden in most country to inject that water today (since early 1980). An old mate of mine still remembers being injected with that water in the thigh in the ’30s, his brother was a “weakling” then so the whole family had it. His brother is still alive today as is his mother, 108 years old with cancers that just can’t grow.

    I decided to go on that water as a seasonal course several times, years ago. Gave it to my children, friends, wife, relatives. The gist of it is that all types of autoimmune diseases, be it sever eczema, bowel disturbance, flu and what not have greatly diminished or disappeared all together.

    I’m not saying it is a cure to Autism. Far from it. But between inoculation or building a healthy immune system, I’ll go for the later any time.

    Unless you have deep understanding of what water is like at a scientific level, both within the interstitial fluid that bathe cells or our planet (same ratio), please do not bother to argue. Truth is we still don’t know Jack Shit in terms of science or very little but like to play gods and pretend to be. Yet, we had opportunities way back to make a good informed change. But nature is free and cheap and it won’t make you a billionaire. So on to war against whatever…

    • Terri Madden says:

      Good comment, Chris. I would like to know more about the ocean water source you use. If you can forward it to me at 2peace(at)live(dot)com, I would sincerely appreciate it.
      Also, insofar as ‘modern day’ vaccines are concerned, look up Edward Jenner. I cannot help but consider him crazed. He used his own son as a guinea pig for his small pox vaccine experiments, which eventually put the child in an early grave. (https://therefusers.com/jenners-son-became-mentally-retarded-and-died-after-smallpox-vaccination/).

    • Rich says:

      nice one!

      It just kills me how parents here in the US anyway, run with breakneck speed into the waiting arms of the (well meaning)immunologist, promising a life free from all manner of evil viri…with a “safe” vaccination programme.
      One day, it’s likely we will look back and shudder on this period of scientific curiosity & experimentation, and think “what were we THINKING?”

    • Amy says:

      Hello, Chris. Just read your comment to Beaker’s article on vaccinations. Would you please send me info on the ocean water treatment you spoke of? You can email [email protected]. I appreciate it!

    • Kathleen Catanella says:

      First I would like to say thank you for posting about the dangers of innoculations! They are much more than meets the eyes! The pressure that is put on new mothers is real, as I accompany my daughter and her new daughter to her doctor visits and each time she is pressured to receive the vaccines. Fortunately she has done her research and holds strong to not receive them. If possible I would love to learn more about the ocean water. Could you send me the links to information on this? My email is [email protected]. Thank you so much!

    • Jo Landon says:

      Thank you for your words. I have never heard of ocean water treatment but would love to know more. Please email me more info at [email protected].

    • Leah says:

      Could you please email me with your recipe for “that water” that you and your family have taken? I would so appreciate. Thank you. Email is forgiven1986(at)outlook(dot)com

    • Graeme says:

      Instead of emailing all these people individually, could you just share your source/details for the salt water with publicly and add a comment to this thread? I have very severe eczema on my hands that I can’t get rid of and I also have a loved one who has MS and I would very interested in trying this. That said, I think that it is very important that we share this information with the world. We are not going to fix this poisoned and polluted society by keeping this stuff quiet.

    • dawn cass says:

      Can you give me info on the ocean water

    • Deb Woollacott says:

      Hi Chris,
      What an amazing insight, thank you so much for the information. I see you have had an amazing response, and maybe once you have more time I would be extremely grateful if you could point me in the direction of the water treatment. Thanks
      [email protected]

    • Robbin-kathleen says:

      Hey Chris, I found your comment on injesting deep ocean water very interesting. Do you have an article or papers I can read and or somewhere i can have this done?
      Thank you I have lots of people who would be very interested with autoimmune disease.

    • Gaye Thompson says:

      Hi Chris
      I would be very interested in anything you have on the water treatment you referred to. I have two very sickly children and I have always thought it would as from vaccines.
      I would be very greatful for any information that could be helpful for them.
      Thank you

      • Simon says:

        The best water out there comes from fruit. It is electrically charged, full of nutrition, is alkaline and cleanses the body.

        If you want wellness, get on a juice fast. Look up Robert Morse ND and John Rose on YouTube.

    • Bobbie Barr says:

      Very interested in the ocean water for my son-in-law, who has MS. Would love to change his life, if possible.

      • Pure Energy says:

        Yes, I have read inflammation is caused by the body’s reaction to chemicals. So when I eat organic fruits only my inflammation goes away.
        I have also read articles written by other doctors hidden away in long websites say there are no germs or viruses and that 5G millimeter waves are causing our energy and light bodies to vibrate out of balance. I have seen lists of “dis-eases” lined up with what vaccinations were being given at the time, the vaccines coming first, and THEN the “dis-ease” showing itself.

    • Mark Kuhne says:

      So where do you get that “water”?

    • Pure Energy says:

      Why not go to the quantum level to find out what is out of balance? Atoms are constantly spinning/vibrating as quarks are constantly bursting forth and spinning the speed of light as 3 points of light forming protons and neutrons. I found these words in the books “The Quantum World” written by the physicist Kenneth Ford. So all of us are 100% light. E-mc2 means energy equals energy. Energy and light are the same. That means we are patterns of light called holograms, wrote the physicist Barbara Brennan. In her book “Hands of Light” can be seen what we all look like as these eternal holograms which are light and energy patterns. When a person is feeling hate, depression, confusion or fear and holds onto these emotions, these energy bodies vibrate as that hate, depression, confusion, fear usually in localized places. Cancer, tumors, polio, AIDs, etc. are energy patterns caused by withheld feelings. They are like short circuits in an electrical wire or boulders in a river that stops the flow of energy. Those quarks constantly bursting forth creating us is proof of constant creation.
      Brennan found that when people discuss their emotional issues they can’t seem to figure out, but talking about them releases them, then balance comes back and the “dis-ease” just disappears.
      Love vibrates these electrical, holographic bodies we are a lot faster. Vibrating faster keeps a person healthy. Chemicals like fluoride and chemtrails and radiation and toxic sugars slow our energy down like emotions can. I have read in too many places that there are no such things as germs or viruses. This is a perfect world/existence being created. We are being created perfectly because to believe in a God is to know this God is perfection itself. Causing these perfect energy and light bodies we are to vibrate out of balance with chemicals and emotions can be fixed easily because we are already perfect. As perfect energy and light holograms, this means God is a holodeck full of images. We are images/holograms. We cannot die because we are images immersed within the holodeck called God.

    • cj saff says:

      I too would like to know the ocean water source. Thanks for sharing this information! [email protected]

    • Nila Valdez says:

      Hi Chris. Really good information on ocean water source, that you have commented on, “thinkingmomsrevolution.com/mrc-5-wi-38-vaccines. Will it be possible to get more information about this, please? You can send it to [email protected]. Thank you very much.

    • Joseph hilla says:

      Hey Chris, I kknow you made a comment over 2yrs ago. But I would like to learn more from you.

    • Lyn Carson says:

      I realize your comment is 4 years old now but I would also love to have a source for the water you are talking about. If you can forward it to me I would greatly appreciate it [email protected]
      Thank you so much,

  7. Sarah says:

    I am a new mother and was curious as to the ingredients in vaccinations as my two daughters were beginning to get vaccinated. I was also very surprised to find out that certain ingredients were derived from aborted human fetuse tissue because it is not often talked about in the abortion or vaccination discussions. I do believe that vaccinations can be important to help decrease some very dangerous diseases. We may take for granted today that only a small percentage of children and adults are affected each year, and are lucky to be able to protect our children from it.
    That said, I do not agree with the use of Aborted fetus tissue and only recently found out (after my daughters had been vaccinated). There are other options for each vaccination that most pediatricians carry. For example Pentacel contains this ingredient where as pediarix does not. I didn’t know to ask for anything else.
    I am Catholic and this is something I have heard discussed by other Catholics. While trying to research this, I also found many articles about this issue by googling ‘Catholic Church vaccination’ and found many interesting articles. They are not advocating for the use of NO vaccinations because we all recognize the benefits. They advocate for the use of vaccinations that do not contain these types of ingredients. These articles want to promote awareness and to encourage the use of ethically produced vaccinations.

    Thank you for your article, I am happy to see there are other concerned mothers!

    • Drusilla Wright says:

      How about the borax, phosphorus, chicken embryos, thimosol (Mercury), hydrochloric acid, lye ect. Look up the inactive ingredients.

    • Pure Energy says:

      Sarah and everyone else,
      When a priest or rabi or anyone that is supposed to know what God is about recommends that there are dis-eases to be handled with chemicals, to me this means these supposed godly people don’t know what God is about. The book ‘Hands of Light” written by the physicist Barbara Brennan explains very well what God is, meaning that the kingdom of God REALLY is within us, constantly creating us. This God did not create everything and then run away.
      At the quantum level where quarks, and the atoms they are creating constantly are, is where God is to be found. Quarks are constantly bursting forth and spinning billions of times a second as 3 points of light forming protons and neutrons. This bursting forth IS this God constantly creating us all with ITs purpose. Creation is constant and perfect and can be seen in that book “Hands of Light”.
      Germs and viruses and other dis-eases should be immediately dropped. God is not creating germs and viruses and dis-eases. The purpose of this God is love for itself and us. Breathe and walk and talk with love. Love is what these quarks are bursting forth as. Atoms are spinning with love. The forces physicists say hold these atoms together IS the purpose of this God/our souls.

  8. Chelsea says:

    There are no actual cells in the vaccines that are given to your children or yourself. The cells are used to grow the virus and mutate it so that it becomes harmless. That is how vaccines are made, they are grown in 25+ generations of cells so that it mutates so much that when you put it back into normal human cells the virus can no longer replicate and cause the disease, it can however still illicit an immune response therefore making you immune to that virus.
    This is done using chicken egg embryos, African green monkey cells as well as dog kidney cells, it all depends on which cell the virus grows best in.

    So there will be no fetal cells in the vaccine you are given, therefore there will be no foreign DNA that could cause harm, there will be no need to panic about the sex of the fetus and if it is the same as your child.

    And the fetus in the first place was voluntarily aborted by the mothers due to genuine health concerns, and they weren’t aborted for the purpose of vaccine production.

    This website gives a very good summary of what i have said and has very reputable references as well.


    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Yes, the vaccine antigens are grown on the media you mention, including chicken embryos, monkey kidney cells, dog cells, aborted fetal cells, etc., but you are completely mistaken as to whether or not cells actually end up in the final vaccine. Your statement is easily “debunked” by a quick perusal of the CDC’s website: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm where it says explicitly: “Vaccines also may contain very small amounts of the culture material used to grow the virus or bacteria used in the vaccine, such as chicken egg protein.”

      If you delve further into the scientific literature, you will find that it is considered impossible to effectively filter out ALL “host cell proteins,” which proteins can cause undesired immunogenetic effects such as allergy and autoimmunity. https://www.tebu-bio.com/blog/2014/09/01/host-cell-protein-analysis-in-biologics/ (Notice that vaccines are exempted from immunogeneticity minimization. In other words, “We accept that allergy and autoimmunity are inevitable outcomes of vaccines, and we’re not even going to try to keep them to a minimum.)

      Despite your assertion that “it all depends on which cell the virus grows best in,” the scientific literature indicates that that is only ONE consideration. Immunogeneticity to the “host proteins” as well as the ability to filter out such proteins are two other important factors. Another fun factor to consider is “adventitious agents” that may be present in the culture medium. An obvious example for that is the SV-40 virus that contaminated polio vaccines cultured from monkey kidney cells. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1045105614000748

      Residual host DNA is a well-known problematic contaminant and there is a great deal of literature about how to get it within the guidelines “per dose.” Vaccines are often packaged in 10-dose vials and are often not handled properly, meaning that if a multidose vial is not shaken properly after EVERY dose, chances are very good that the residual DNA will vary significantly from dose to dose, but in any event there WILL be residual DNA despite your assertions to the contrary. http://www.bioprocessintl.com/upstream-processing/assays/nucleic-acid-impurity-reduction-in-viral-vaccine-manufacturing-349787/ “The biopharmaceutical industry continues to improve its purification processes to minimize potential risks associated with harmful immunological and biological responses caused by residual impurities originating from host cells and culture media.”

    • Heather says:

      It’s called “fragmented DNA”, and yes, it’s in vaccines. Dr Judy Mikovits’ book, “Plague”, she’s a PhD by the way, explains this very issue of insertional mutagenesis- DNA corruption, via vaccines. Don’t fool yourself, it’s harmful to inject another’s DNA into yourself.

    • Maire Thompson says:

      Who wants bits of monkey or eggs .in their system Also read more please ,,the lady who had psychiatric problems was forced to have an abortion…

    • Fiona Lynch says:

      you are incorrect.. the amount of DNA is in excess of any regulation. Not heard of Insertional Mutagenesis?… Foetal cell lines are tumorigenic. NO vaccines are ever evaluated for carcinogenicity.

      • Pure Energy says:

        17 Hazardous Substances in Vaccines Including Neuro-toxins, Carcinogens, and Mutagens
        I’ve listed the most caustic and disgusting ingredients below. Many of these are listed on the Special Health Hazard Substance List and the CDC National Institute Of Occupational Safety and Health website.

        Aluminum Phosphate-chemical name: Phosphoric Acid (a corrosive acid) and Aluminum salt (a neuro- toxin)
        Aluminum Sulfate-chemical name: Sulfuric Acid (an extremely carcinogenic and corrosive acid that is especially dangerous when mixed with water) and Aluminum salt (a neuro-toxin).
        Formaldehyde-a carcinogen and a mutagen (an agent that causes genetic mutation and is often associated with cancer). According to the CDC it is extremely carcinogenic to humans.
        Thimerosal-(Ethylmercury) Thimerosal is 49.6% Mercury, which is the second most toxic element on earth next to plutonium and is a neuro-toxin.
        Acetone-A clear volatile liquid used as a solvent for paints and oils and also as a chemical in plastics and manufacturing.
        Monosodium Glutamate (MSG)–an excitotoxin which overexcites the brain cells to the point of damage or death, causing brain damage to varying degrees.
        Human Serum Albumin-a human protein, but it can only be broken down when digested. When it is injected it can cause auto-immune disorders and allergies.
        Benzethonium Chloride-a carcinogen (can cause cancer) and a mutagen (can cause genetic mutations).
        Monkey Kidney Cells-monkey cells carry viruses that can cause cancer and diseases.
        Calf Serum-baby cow blood after the red blood cells are removed. Can be very contaminated with phage (viruses that infect bacteria).
        Polysorbate 80-an emulsifier and a surfactant. Can cause infertility and an increased risk for stroke and heart attack.
        Ethanol-Ethyl Alcohol. Can cause headaches, drowsiness, vomiting, and uncounsciousness.
        Phenol–Carbolic Acid, a corrosive acid listed by the CDC as an extremely hazardous substance in which you should AVOID ALL CONTACT! Can cause cough, dizziness, headache, nausea, vomiting, unconsciousness, convulsions, coma, and DEATH!
        EDTA–increases the absorption of chemicals into the body
        Glutaraldehyde-a liquid chemical used as a disinfectant, biocide, hardening agent, preservative, and embalming agent. According to the CDC it can cause asthma, breathing problems, allergies, and coughing.
        Ammonium Sulfate– blue green powder used in chemistry. Toxic chemical and can cause drowsiness, nausea, vomiting, and difficulty breathing.

    • Rob says:

      Funded by ?

  9. Michael M. Dowdy says:

    Would it raise serious ethical and moral issues that might influence one’s decisions whether to vaccinate or not if the fetal tissue culture cells used to manufacture vaccines were known by an actual aborted fetus’s name and sex instead of simply by just letters or numerical names like MRC-5 or WI-38?

  10. Thank you so much for posting this article and for all the comments so far. I am a new grand mother and not originally from the USA and with all the information on the serious safety concerns about vaccines here in the US I have been doing some research of my own. I was astounded when I discovered the aborted fetal content included in vaccines such as MMR. Th MMR vaccine is the topic of the controversial documentary by Dr Andrew Wakefield, Vaxxed – which I recommend to all on this commentary. It is time for parents to demand higher standards for vaccines including support for independent research funded by the government agencies who now mandate the overdosed vaccination of all children. With the intensity of the vaccine schedule, it is no wonder that our babies are suffering dire consequences which often result in a lifetime of health issues and suffering for them.

    In California, with re-election of Jerry Brown (which I believe was the biggest mistake the residents of this state ever made and which I hope they will not repeat in 2018!!!), parents now have no recourse to safe alternatives neither the option to refuse having their children vaccinated as long as their children have to attend public schools or day care centers. It is my hope that my grandson’s parents will understand the potential severity of risks and decide to home school my grandson so he can remain healthy (in body and mind) and a happy baby.

    • Sharon Ropp says:

      I found this page while doing research on human monoclonal antibodies and if they are made in one of the aborted fetal cell lines. The drug that is in question is Repatha. It is a drug that targets the LDL cholesterol which is very elevated in Familialhypercholesterolemia. This new drug along with many others use the Human monoclonal antibodies in their production. Small children and old alike are now using this new way of treating diseases. If you can help me to answer this question please help.

      • Ross Rosenberg says:

        Here’s what “Familialhypercholesterolemia” means, for those that wonder.
        Familial hypercholesterolemia (abbreviated FH, also spelled familial hypercholesterolaemia) is a genetic disorder characterized by high cholesterol levels, specifically very high levels of low-density lipoprotein (LDL, “bad cholesterol”), in the blood and early cardiovascular disease.

  11. Andrew Linnell says:

    The two major arms of our immune system comprise a balance of more non-specific “Th-1” cell-mediated immunity (cytotoxic T-cells, macrophages, natural killer cells, and pro-inflammatory cytokines such as interferon, interleukin-2 [IL-2], IL-6, and tumor necrosis factor) that primarily promote phagocytic-dependent inflammation, and ”Th-2” humoral, intra-cellular Immunity (complement, B-Cells, and antibodies, and the primarily anti-inflammatory cytokines IL-4, IL-5, IL-6, IL-9, IL-10 and IL-13). Th-2 cells seek out and identify foreign substances in the body (“antigens”), evoking strong antibody responses, but overall inhibiting an inflammatory response.[vi]
    Very important yes, yet we need both responses, with a healthy immune system being able to identify “non-self”, mount an inflammation to essentially digest it, and then come back into a new and higher balance again, having incorporated the “foreigner” now as “self” (somewhat akin to the American ideal of “the melting pot”).
    Because vaccines primarily promote a TH-2 immune response, they help the body to effectively identify “non-self”, but taken to excess they can actually inhibit the body’s raising an inflammatory response to digest this “”non-self. This is why neurotoxins such as thimerosol and aluminum are added to vaccines as “adjuvants” today, to further promote an inflammatory Th-1 immune response that would ordinarily come (and be further developed) with actually contracting a disease.
    Adjuvants are nanoparticles of inorganic substances which in physical form are more foreign to the body than an infectious disease itself, more difficult to break down/assimilate AND more difficult to eliminate, and so instead simply accumulate in the body, fulminating an ongoing low level of reactivity as the body continually mounts responses against them without any digestive learning process of being able to differentiate self from non-self, no higher integration of self which would come with overcoming the actual disease, and which then in consequence ultimately can manifest in the body as an auto-immune disease (see here the important and scientifically thorough work of Yehuda Shoenfeld, MD).[vii]
    What this means then is that an immune system built primarily around many vaccinations has actually lost its balance, such that it’s capacity for natural herd immunity is destroyed, replaced instead with a temporary and inadequate immunity necessitating a dependence upon continued vaccinations, while also facing an increasing risk of new outbreaks and adverse outcomes, for want of sufficient response capacity in the face of ever new viral mutant strains.[viii] What had become historically an innocuous disease suddenly then becomes potentially dangerous again in an “immune compromised population” (this depiction of our population is indeed in use today in defense of the use of adjuvants).[ix]
    This means as well that those who are vaccinated are also still susceptible to getting the condition regardless, prompting the necessity of continual “booster” shots for protection, which also then means continued doses of toxic adjuvants—a spiral of less adaptivity with more toxicity–and so greater risk of chronic auto-immune conditions arising in consequence. This ultimately reflects the warning of microbiologist Rene Dubos, in his 1962 book, The Mirage of Health, that “complete freedom from disease and struggle is incompatible with the process of living,…All the accomplishments of science and technology cannot ultimately secure health because they ignore the dynamic process of adaptation to a constantly changing environment that every living organism must face.” — Source: http://vaxxedthemovie.com/vaxxed-review-dr-robert-kellum-naturopathic-physician-practitioner-classical-chinese-medicine/

  12. Atomic Nixon says:

    Anyone here know the diagnostic criteria for autism? Anyone? Show of hands?
    Anyone here know what the diagnostic criteria used to be? Anyone? No?
    Anyone here know what the DSM is? Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders? Revision history for? No? Actual data clashing with the world-view?

    Have you all forgotten how to READ????

    As autism spectrum disorder (ASD) became known throughout the United States and common symptoms and behaviors were agreed upon by many researchers, it gained increasingly specified diagnostic criteria in the DSM. Here, autism is traced throughout the four main revisions of the DSM (Grinker, 2007):

    DSM-I (1952) Because the idea of autism had recently began circulating, it was not given it’s own diagnostic criteria in this first edition of the DSM. Instead, children demonstrating autistic-like symptoms were classified as ‘childhood schizophrenic’ (American Psychiatric Association, 1952).

    DSM-II (1968) Autism was not included as it’s own diagnostic category in the second release of the DSM. Continuing to be labeled as ‘childhood schizophrenic,’ some of the behaviors fitting the criteria for diagnosis were “autistic, atypical, and withdrawn behavior” (American Psychiatric Association, 1968, p. 35).

    DSM-III (1980) Autism is included as a distinct diagnostic category. However, ‘infantile autism’ was designated as the only form and solely 6 characteristics were listed, an individual having to possess each of which to be labeled ‘autistic’ (American Psychiatric Association, 1980).

    Between the DSM-III and the DSM-III-R criteria for autism, there were some tremendous differences. Diagnostic criteria were more concrete and observable, specifying that such behaviors must reflect abnormalities in the individual’s level of development (American Psychiatric Association, 1987). These changes in the field yielded a rapid increase in the number of individuals being diagnosed with autism (Factor, Freeman, & Kardash, 1989).

    “These changes in the field yielded a rapid increase in the number of individuals being diagnosed with autism”

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Yes, I do know the diagnostic criteria for autism, and I’m well aware of how it changed over time. No one will dispute that those “changes in the field yielded a rapid increase in the number of individuals diagnosed with autism.” Again, not in dispute. What is in dispute is whether those changes in diagnostic criteria fully explain the meteoric rise in cases, and no, they sure as heck don’t. Not even close. Donvan and Zucker have gone back to the work of Samuel Gridley Howe to try and prove that “we have always had autism with us.” But the interesting thing is that Howe’s work shows a small number of individuals who would be likely to have a diagnosis on the autism spectrum if they were alive today, but his meticulous notes show they were a tiny percentage of what Howe called “idiots” in the state of Massachusetts, and none of them were nonverbal (approximately one-third of children diagnosed with autism are nonverbal today). Even assuming that 90% of them were missed because they functioned well enough not to be counted among the “idiots,” that still yields a prevalence on the order of 1 in 7,000, which you have to admit is a very far cry indeed from the 1 in 45 children of today.

      Whether or not you care to acknowledge it, something profoundly disturbing is happening to the children of the United States and much of the industrialized world.

    • Elizabeth Herron says:

      Those redistributions account for only a fraction of the cases we now see. Actually the definition for autism was narrowed in 2009 when Asperger’s, Rett Syndrome, and Child Disintegrative Disorder were removed from the classification. There is an obvious epidemic of not only autism – but a number of other neural and auto-immune disorders – clearly due to the massive number of vaccines and their toxic foreign ingredients. The non-industry research is very clear. Thankfully, more physicians and parents than ever are now realizing the truth and opposing vaccines.

  13. Rich says:

    The ever-growing mountain of anecdotal evidence cannot and should not be discounted so lightly by our bright minded lab folks..
    I’ve long since lost count of the number of individuals who have come forward with their own personal stories of vaccine induced injury.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      If people followed logic and their own intuition, they would certainly be following up on the thousands and thousands of “anecdotes” of vaccine injury. The fact that anyone who does investigate is immediately discredited and called a quack is telling in and of itself.

  14. cynthia sobel says:

    Thank you for looking into this. I say you are a great Mom, others NEED to know this. Had I have known I would NOT have vaccinated my children for the MMR vaccine. I am in my 50s and I HAD the measles and Rubella (not the mumps, look I’m alive!) I think death from these diseases are rare and the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease. Parents who want to immunize their children should roll up their sleeve and take it first. Now you are thinking keep going…

  15. Amanda says:

    Sorry to say but you are worried about all the wrong ingredients. Formaldehyde, Aluminum, and Mercury, and your worried about stem cells? I think you should do a bit more research on vaccines.

    • Doctor says:

      MRC5 and WI38 are not stem cells. They are fibroblasts (i.e. collagen producing cells) from the lungs.

      Thimerosol has been removed from vaccines. Autism rates have not come down.

      Infants without allergy to aluminum can easily tolerate up to 4.225mg of aluminum/year with no toxicity. Not all vaccines use aluminum adjuvant. HBV vaccine for example uses .25mg, so you would need 20 doses of it in a year to exceed the safe limit.

      Formaldehyde is naturally produced, and in fact the average infant already has 50-70x the amount of formaldehyde found in their entire vaccine course.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        “Thimerosal has been removed from vaccines” is the most disingenuous statement made on the subject. Full doses of Thimerosal are contained in most flu vaccines dispensed to pregnant women and infants older than six months. In addition, “trace amounts” of Thimerosal are contained in a number of other vaccines that are given to infants and there is exactly ZERO oversight as to whether the processes used by the manufacturers to “remove” the Thimerosal after manufacture actually removes the Thimerosal. These vaccines with the supposedly “trace amounts” are given WITH aluminum-containing vaccines, when it is known that mercury and aluminum in combination are HIGHLY neurotoxic, much more than even mercury alone.

        It is ALSO disingenuous to say that “autism rates have not come down.” This year’s numbers are the first to come from children who would have definitely been given the lower amounts of Thimerosal, and the official CDC number has plateaued, despite the push beginning in 2004 to give mercury-containing flu vaccines to pregnant women and infants. Of course, the CDC’s number is problematic to begin with, but at the moment it is the best we have.

        By the way, few people think Thimerosal is the only problem when it comes to vaccination. Autism is characterized by inflammation in the brain. Vaccines are DESIGNED to create an inflammatory response in the body. The immune system is directly connected to the neurological system such that many scientists refer to a combined “neuroimmune system.” And in the last year we found out HOW directly they are connected when lymph vessels leading to the brain were discovered. Any time you over-stimulate the immune system, you WILL affect the neurological system, which is why we keep hearing that “infections” can cause encephalitis, etc. But vaccines stimulate far higher levels of antibody production (inflammation) than actual infections do and we repeatedly stimulate a child’s immune system in this manner without ever considering the effect upon their neurological systems. It is any wonder that neurological conditions ABOUND in today’s kids?

        Your aluminum safety numbers are utterly inapplicable as the “safe” amount is based upon ORAL consumption. Only a small percentage of aluminum is absorbed when it is ingested. Aluminum INJECTED has a completely different effect upon the body. That’s WHY it’s used in vaccines. The alumminum adjuvants are used in order to create a strong immune reaction to the vaccine ingredients. Much smaller amounts create much stronger effects in those circumstances. The same is true for formaldehyde. A healthy gut lining is designed to keep these potentially toxic ingredients OUT of the bloodstream. Injection is designed to get them INTO it.

      • Kat says:

        Excellent! Thank you so much! Very informative!

      • Heather says:

        Nailed it! Glad to see you spoke to everyone if their “facts”, and easily disputed the validity of days facts. Good job!!

      • Nancy Bowers says:

        You have been brained washed by your fellow doctors and pharma buddies. Print out the CDC vaccination ingredient list and you will find thimerosol is still in vaccinations and the ones that removed the thimerosol they have added extra aluminum. There are so many neurotoxins in vaccinations that it’s a miracle that any child is still alive at all. 1 in 50 is too many children to injure. It’s a criminal act and I hope I live long enough to see those responsible brought to justice.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Don’t count on someone who chooses a screen name of “Doctor” actually BEING a doctor.

      • Jimmy Midnight says:

        There’s a possible (to say the least) difference between ingesting some Al, or breathing oxide dust, and receiving it in an SC injection.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Debunking Aluminum Adjuvant, Part 1: “The Aluminum Is Gone In Just a Few Days!” http://vaccinepapers.org/debunking-aluminum-adjuvant-part-1/

        Debunking Aluminum Adjuvant, Part 2: FDA’s Flawed Study of Al Adjuvant Toxicity (The Mitkus study) http://vaccinepapers.org/debunking-aluminum-adjuvant-part-2/

        The Foundation for Al Adjuvant Safety Is False http://vaccinepapers.org/the-foundation-for-al-adjuvant-safety-is-false/

        UPDATE: Adjuvant Transport Gets Complicated http://vaccinepapers.org/update/

        Vaccine Aluminum Travels Into The Brain http://vaccinepapers.org/vaccine-aluminum-travels-to-the-brain/

      • Connie says:

        Thimerosal has not been removed from vaccines. Here is a link to the ingredients in all vaccines from the CDC website: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf
        I get what you are saying about formaldehyde; it’s in most foods. But this is a very interesting article, especially when considering that upper respiratory infections are a common side effect of vaccines.
        Even the first test on the MMR vaccine showed a high occurrence of upper respiratory infections:

  16. Maya says:

    im making a reaserch for Mrc-5 cell and i want more information bout it and the protocol of their uses and how we can make Culture of this Cell

  17. Lynne says:

    I went to the CDC website and read what is in most of the vaccines. I found glutaraldehyde was an ingredient in some of the vaccines and my mouth dropped open. I used glutaraldehyde to disinfect respiratory equipment and it is very toxic. It used to burn our eyes, nose and throat when we were in the equipment room for too long.

    It is my understanding that the government will soon force adults into an adult immunization schedule. How or when, I am not sure.

    • Doctor says:

      I went to the CDC website and read what is in most of the vaccines. I found dihydrogen monoxide was an ingredient in ALL the vaccines and my mouht dropped open. I used dihydrogen monoxide when disinfecting all types of equipment and it is very toxic. Just some examples of its dangers:

      Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
      Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
      Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
      DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
      Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
      Contributes to soil erosion.
      Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
      Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
      Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
      Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
      Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Oh, give us a fucking break. “Dihydrogen monoxide”? You can take your stupid water hoax and peddle it elsewhere.

    • Rob says:

      Fast forward 3yrs to 2019
      Mandatory vaccines for school
      Pregnant women
      Elderly and soon everyone

  18. Tonya Martone says:

    Why dose’nt Jenny Mcartney know about this?

  19. jimbob says:

    This fetus was aborted decades ago, for reasons having nothing to with vaccines. Whether or not you agree with this abortion, is it a bad thing that some the fetus’ cells were cultured and used to save countles human lives? Are you saying you would have preferred the fetus to be completely discarded, with no benefit to anyone? The cells in the cultures are alive, not dead. Would you advocate the killing of all these cells now? Why would that be so much different from abortion?

    Also, I am a scientist, with degrees in biology and other areas, and am actively involved in biochemical research (we don’t use any kind of human-derived samples except the occasional blood sample from consenting adults). Maybe I’m wrong, but you seem to claim in your article that you don’t have the proper background to have an idea about whether or not these cells (or proteins and DNA derived from them) are harmful, and that your insufficient knowledge is some kind of evidence that they are, in fact, harmful. I hope I don’t have to point out the fallacy in this kind of logic.

    If this isn’t what you’re saying, and you feel you have sufficient scientific knowledge to determine that these ingredients are harmful, maybe we can have a friendly debate. What do you think are the main dangers of such ingredients in vaccines? What are the specific physiological detriments you fear are being caused by them, and by what mechanism do you think they effect this?

    Here are some questions you ask, and I’ll answer them to the best of my knowledge. Let me know if you disagree with any of it.

    “Is it possible the fetus’s DNA from these cells can recombine with the baby’s cells and insert its DNA?”
    -No. DNA is too large and too polar to cross cell membranes, which consist of a phospholipid bilayer. The DNA won’t be able to enter any of the baby’s cells.

    “Is it possible that the baby’s body may think they are foreign and attack them?”
    – Yes. Would this be a problem? No. This is the normal functioning of the human immune system and the reason for its existence. We are exposed to millions of foreign antigens every day. This is also how vaccines work; they trigger a response in the human immune system to deactivated viral proteins or other components.

    “Is it possible the baby’s body may get confused and attack its own cells?”
    -Not really. Immune cells producing antibodies specific for endogenous proteins are selected against in the thymus and bone marrow, and don’t reach maturity. A vaccine would generally have no effect on this process. Autoimmune diseases are caused by dysfunction of this process usually unrelated to external factors except those which might affect the genetic makeup of cells (i.e., active viruses, etc). It is possible, though exremely rare, that a protein can trigger an autoimmune response. The chances of a protein doing this are on the order of 1 in many million, and it wouldn’t matter what source the protein came from. That is, a protein derived from or expressed in bacteria would have the same chance of eliciting this response as one from human cells. Are you suggesting that no proteins of any kind should be used in medicine? Are you against insulin treatments for diabetics? Or interferon treatments for viral infections, turning hepatitis again into a death sentence? Erythropoietin for anemia and myelodysplasia?

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      I have an immediate reaction to your post, but I will do more investigation before I say too much. First off, no blog on this site goes from the assumption that “we don’t know if something causes harm” means that it DOES cause harm. That is not a logical position, and not one we would ever promote. However, it is ALSO not logical to assume that “we don’t know if something causes harm” means that it DOESN’T cause harm, despite the fact that we see that argument in the mainstream press all the time to justify the use of many products that may indeed be harmful. The nice thing from the point of view of the marketer is that as long as you can convincingly say you don’t KNOW about the harm, you can continue to pretend that no harm is done.

      Secondly, I’m assuming you are aware of the huge explosion in autoimmune conditions in recent years. You claim that the devlopment of autoimmunity has nothing to do with “external factors.” So what’s your working theory on how to explain their rise? “Active viruses”? So, how would that work exactly… Viruses are much more “active” today than they were when we were getting all those “deadly diseases”?

    • Christopher Gorton says:

      I do have a question, isnt gene therapy the science of sending new DNA into a person/animal for the purpose of altering its genetic makeup? The DNA itself is able to transfer this way using a vector, like say a virus, which actually has the most efficient pathway to transfer and replicate, or am I missing something?

      • Doctor says:

        The MRC5 cells are used to grow the virus. In fact, the vaccine makers do everything in their power to avoid any contamination of MRC5 matter. The majority of these vaccines are not alive and thus do not enter cells in the manner that gene therapy with something like an adenovirus vector is used. For the vaccines that are alive, these viruses don’t want to carry human DNA and have mechanisms to avoid contamination of their virions with human DNA. Human DNA is a waste of space and particularly for all RNA viruses besides flu, they replicate in the cytoplasm where there is no human DNA so its essentially impossible to find human DNA in an RNA virus.

    • Tonya Martone says:

      Hi, I am a Mother of five children. Regretfully, two died in abortion. My second Son, Josh, had a reaction after his second dose of vaccines. He has been registered with the CDC as having an adverse reaction and we were told not to continue vaccinating him. The damage has been done. He has nerve and brain damage in the form of ADHD and Autism. Both of which are on the rise in recent decades.
      That being said, I would like your educated guess, remember we can only “practice” medicine, on how you think someone else’s DNA/tissue would react with yours if injected into your body. I am not a Scientist. Turns out you don’t have to be to have common sense. Let’s think about this together. If you were to have an organ transplant, would’nt you need strong medication so that your body does’nt have a reaction? Whats the harm in investigating any reactions in the human body involving these foriegn cells.
      By the way, the Nazis made soap from the fat of Jews. Ironically, they had the same argument as you. They were dying anyway, why not make use of their remains for the better of all. The argument doesnt hold up when you realize the fetus=”latin for small child” was alive and well.

      • LLC says:

        Hit the nail on the head. Thank you

      • Linda Mosionier says:


      • klyneal says:

        Well said. It’s gruesome and totally disrespectful of human life to either make soap or vaccines from aborted babies. How have we become so cold and clinical? Whatever happened to human empathy, decency, and respect for life?
        Another thing I am afraid of here is that money corrupts. If a financial incentive is provided for aborting/murdering babies, there will always be unscrupulous people who will do anything for the almighty dollar.

        I have no problem with a adult stem cell research, or stem cells from umbilical cords. I do have a major problem with any part of an aborted baby being used for anything at all. Are we becoming a nation of Hitlers?

      • Doctor says:

        “If you were to have an organ transplant, would’nt you need strong medication so that your body does’nt have a reaction? Whats the harm in investigating any reactions in the human body involving these foriegn cells.”

        It has been investigated in studying the risks of vaccines and has been proven to not be a risk. The magnitude of the size of the foreign human material between an organ and a vaccine is monstrous. It’s like arguing that being dropped into an olympic sized swimming pool full of boiling water could kill you, so couldn’t a tiny drop of boiling water landing on your arm do the same?

        “By the way, the Nazis made soap from the fat of Jews. Ironically, they had the same argument as you. They were dying anyway, why not make use of their remains for the better of all. The argument doesnt hold up when you realize the fetus=”latin for small child” was alive and well.”

        The Nazi comparison is quite disingenuous. We are not systematically aborting fetuses in an attempt to purify a racial gene pool. Also, that’s not the most appropriate description of the definition of fetus. It actually specifically referred to pregnancy and the concept of a hatchling. When you order egg whites, do you ask them for “scrambled amnion, hold the baby?”

    • The 1973 movie Soylent Green and the novel Stranger in a Strange Land (Robert Heinlein) both suggested that it is wasteful to discard human bodies so why not eat them? Such thoughts send a shiver down the moral spine of most people.

    • Tonya says:

      How can you prove that injecting the Nations living children with the cells of dead ones saved anyone’s life? Vaccines cannot properly be tested without inoculating the vaccinated with the disease. And just as someone already mentioned. People die every day should we let their remains go to waste? Why don’t we eat them? This is YOUR argument and it fails!

    • Yvette Isais says:

      As a scientist with degrees (plural) in biology and other areas? Whoa watch out, you got some knowledge up your sleeve right? Then you should know about transformation, conjugation and transduction, am I right? Then you should have the knowledge of how DNA can be picked up and put into the cell by one way of bacteriophage. I don’t know where you are coming from or what school you went to but not sounding like a scientist thinking outside the box and doing their own research like myself. You just sound like someone following blindly what they teach in school. Your points aren’t that clear. Are there fetus parts in insulin treatments?… Here is a point, what the fuck is fetus parts doing in our vaccines??? That is not how they were originally made. This is wrong. If you think it is right then more power to you. But as for me I don’t think any of these ingredients should be shot up in the veins of my child.

      • Kathleen Nealis says:

        The Doctor says:
        “The Nazi comparison is quite disingenuous. We are not systematically aborting fetuses in an attempt to purify a racial gene pool. Also, that’s not the most appropriate description of the definition of fetus. It actually specifically referred to pregnancy and the concept of a hatchling. When you order egg whites, do you ask them for “scrambled amnion, hold the baby?” ”

        ??? Seriously? Does it matter why babies are killed before they are born?

        A “fetus” is your son or daughter from the moment of conception. And your son or daughter will have a full set of dna from the very first moment as well. So where does the “hold the baby” part come from? (Especially since we are not hatched …. )

        The most appropriate description of a a fetus, therefore, is YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER. As in, a HUMAN BEING.

        So what is your point?

        An innocent child should never be killed for any reason (other than saving the life of the mother). And whether you abort your child at 3 weeks along, or 6 months along, it makes no difference, your child still ends up DEAD. And an entire life stolen.

        I have major objections to killing innocent children for any reason, so using an aborted child’s cells is massively disrespectful and cold. No different than PP selling the body parts of aborted babies. We have become so hardened …..

      • Kathleen Nealis says:

        I’m with you, I get so angry when excuses are made for using any part of an aborted human life.

      • Margie says:

        Yvette, I agree with you 100%.

      • Rob says:

        Fugin eh Lady fugin eh !
        Way to go, I felt your emotions
        Like a Mama Bear !

    • Jimmy Midnight says:

      I agree with you, as far as being unbothered by the sources for tissue culture, but remain very concerned about possible autoimmunity, bland assurances about thymus’ capability in selecting against it notwithstanding.

      Remember that antigens in the form of live attenuated viruses are being given, right along with other ingredients, beginning with Na2HPO4, that are also used as system stimulating adjuvants in other contexts e.g. fractionated shots.

    • Tyler says:

      THANK YOU. The fact the there is even a debate about the necessity of vaccines blows my mind. Please keep sharing and debating, even if people aren’t willing to listen.

  20. Richard Hawk says:

    Of course church agrees, and of course every sane people would, you guys either are really dumb or are terrible at math, even me, that im not good at math, know that the opposite is waaaay worse, im not talking a little here, im talking way worse, like an entire nation being wiped out to 40% of population, ever heard of the black plague? small pox? And countless others than nearly wiped humanity out of the earth? Its a myth to you? On one hand we have “Cells” taken from a baby and “replicated” that means, they are not even the same anymore, if you dunno that, see how cells work, against… 100.000.000 people saved from a possible outbreak. Yeah, totally, most of you dumbs are the reason why the fckin ebola is back, and anothers will be back if you go down that way! At least you get the oppurtonity to see all your family and friends being wiped out! Come on people! For fck sake! See the BIG picture here.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Usually I just delete the comments riddled with insults, especially repeated use of the word “dumb,” but yours contains a viewpoint that is important to counter. You imply that there is an either/or choice between using aborted fetal cells in vaccines or 40% of the population dying in an epidemic. This is an utterly ridiculous simplification of the issues involved, and is the sort of thing that people use frequently to imply that everyone should just “get their damn vaccines.”

      There is no evidence whatsoever that use of these cells in vaccines have saved 100,000,000 people from ANY kind of outbreak, and there never will be. Long before their use, death rates from communicable diseases had dropped dramatically in industrialized countries. There was no danger of large-scale deaths from any of the diseases whose vaccines contain these ingredients. Seeing the “big picture” means seeing as it REALLY is, not as you fear it to be.

      • Thank you Professor TMR,
        Fear should not be the decider here.

      • Tasha says:

        @ProfessorTMR “There is no evidence whatsoever that use of these cells in vaccines have saved 100,000,000 people from ANY kind of outbreak, and there never will be.” Wrong.

        The Role of the WI-38 Cell Strain in Saving Lives and Reducing Morbidity.

        “We estimate the number of lives saved and morbidity reduction associated with the discovery of the first human cell strain used for the production of licensed human virus vaccines, known as WI-38. The diseases studied include poliomyelitis, measles, mumps, rubella, varicella (chicken pox), herpes zoster, adenovirus, rabies and Hepatitis A. The number of preventable cases and deaths in the U.S. and across the globe was assessed by holding prevalence rates and disease-specific death rates constant from 1960-2015. Results indicate that the total number of cases of poliomyelitis, measles, mumps, rubella, varicella, adenovirus, rabies and hepatitis A averted or treated with WI-38 related vaccines was 198 million in the U.S. and 4.5 billion globally (720 million in Africa; 387 million in Latin America and the Caribbean; 2.7 billion in Asia; and 455 million in Europe). The total number of deaths averted from these same diseases was approximately 450,000 in the U.S., and 10.3 million globally (1.6 million in Africa; 886 thousand in Latin America and the Caribbean; 6.2 million in Asia; and 1.0 million in Europe).

        Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29546209

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Even if you presume that the estimates in that study are correct, and that is a HUGE if (prevalence rates and disease-specific death rates for virtually all diseases were dropping for decades before those vaccines were developed; there is no reason to believe that they would have stayed constant), you are still nowhere near the 100,000,000 quoted in my comment. Nor does it mean that those cells were REQUIRED to make effective vaccines.

    • Tonya Martone says:

      I dont think any of “us” are against vaccinations. That being said, it is important that we have SAFE vaccinations. Current statistics suggest that half of our American children will have some form of ADHA/Autism by 2025. There is no doubt, its on the rise. Why are’t we even looking to research the effects wi-38 may have on our children?

      • Doctor says:

        We have been examining it. There has been only one study, using fabricated data from a now unlicensed physician who withheld the fact that he was funded by a lawyer trying to invent a lawsuit that showed any link between vaccines and autism. The rest have shown no link.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Really? You’ve got nothing new? Just the tired old “fabricated study” BS? Here’s a list of 124 papers and studies that support a link between autism and vaccines: https://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/124-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link

      • Playing Fair says:

        So, I looked over your Scribd list. It’s not peer-reviewed, but I’ll ignore validation for now. The papers cited do not provide definitive links between autism and vaccination. And many of the papers are not even vaguely hinting at the introduction of the cell strains you mention being the suspected agent in their investigations. You’ve thrown out a red herring, Professor.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Sorry, my response was to the comment above which was about “the one ‘fabricated’ study” that suppoorts a link between vaccines and autism. Those studies are not about the cell lines mentioned. Theresa Deisher appears to be the only one researching that angle. Of course those studies “don’t provide definitive links between autism and vaccination.” If they did, they would not be able to publish their research. You actually have to do some thinking for yourself. For instance, you need to know that autism is a neurological disorder. If something can cause damage to neurons, then it is likely to be a factor. You need to know that autism is characterized by immune activation and brain inflammation, such immune activation is the intent of vaccination. You need to know aluminum is an ingredient in many vaccines that are administered to tiny babies. Any effect attributed to injected aluminum salts can be an effect of vaccination. And, no, the LIST isn’t peer-reviewed, but most of the studies ARE. Of course, that presupposes that peer review is “all that” in the first place, a position that many editors of the most highly esteemed peer-reviewed journals would not necessarily agree with.


        You may find a series of blogs we will be running in the very near future to be of great interest on this subject.

      • Amy says:

        Apparently you haven’t read callous disregard, READ IT!

    • klyneal says:

      I don’t think you see the big picture here. Vaccines made from animal cells worked perfectly fine.

      Whatever happened to the sanctity of life? Since when is ANY human life expendable? Even one?

      I have major issues with abortion to begin with. We have become a nation that is totally morally bankrupt. We’ve become cold and clinical with respect to human life. I find this so sad. Whatever will become of future generations? THAT is the “big picture.”

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Vaccines made from animal cells DIDN’T work “perfectly fine.” Polio vaccine made from monkey kidneys were contaminated with SV-40 which has been shown to cause cancers in humans. In addition, growth media from cows, chickens, eggs, and dairy sensitize individuals to those proteins so when they are encountered in food form, the individual can have an anaphylactic allergic response. There is NO growth medium that does not cause significant health issues in at least a small population of individuals.

        And I don’t agree at all on the idea that “we’ve become cold and clinical with respect to human life.” I think we are much MORE respecting of human life than any generation before us. That is why we are no longer tolerant of child abuse, sexual abuse, and bullying, and it is only seeing the old attitudes contrasting so strongly with new ones that highlights them. Abortion has existed throughout history. The only thing new about it is that fewer women are dying in the process.

      • klyneal says:

        Some were contaminated. My family was fortunate. We weren’t vaccinated with human cells, and none of us every had adhd or autism. Like I said before, NO ONE I ever knew growing up back in the 60’s ever had these issues.

        So, if the vaccines were animal back then, and not human, it seems logical to assume that those vaccines didn’t cause autism and adhd.

        I don’t know about contaminated vaccines. I’ve heard of them, but again, my family and friends have been fortunate enough to not have any problems. I guess we didn’t get any contaminated vaccines.

      • klyneal says:

        I’m talking about autism and adhd. Absolutely NO ONE I ever knew had adhd or autism. It was unheard of growing up in the 60’s.

        So, since animal vaccines were used then, it would be obvious that these vaccines didn’t cause these issues. And they didn’t.

        As far as contaminated vaccines, I’ve heard of them, but NEVER knew anyone affected by them. I didn’t even know of any kids with allergies except a couple with your garden variety hay fever in spring.
        So I’m not sure how many people have been affected by contaminated vaccines as I never knew anyone that was.

        I do know that kids and adults have a LOT more health problems today associated with vaccines. TONS more.

        So why use human cell vaccines? There is no way this is a coincidence.

        Even considering we spend a lot more time playing outside, getting physical exercise and socializing a lot more at a younger age. No video games, game boys, computers, very little TV, no cell phones or tablets …. all of which I believe can make adhd or autism worse.

        There is definitely a reason for this.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        They may not have caused MUCH autism or ADHD, but they did cause SOME. Yes, both conditions were rare in the ’60s. I grew up then as well and remember it well. There is definitely a familial difficulty with detoxification and I had a younger brother and cousin who had learning disability and attention issues even then. The three of us also developed allergies. Animal-derived vaccines are not the solution you imagine. The total number of vaccines has increased tremendously, and the timing of them has been drastically accelerated. Both of those facts can account for much of what we are seeing. (Read all the discussion about the total mercury load given to tiny infants in 1998-99, and Generation Zero of the Verstraeten study. Mercury is by no means the only problem. Alumuninum adjuvants are also extremely important.) I don’t think vaccines grown on human cells are anything like a good idea, but if all of today’s vaccines were animal-derived, we would still have tremendous levels of serious health problems. They would just be slightly different.

      • Nelson says:

        I don’t think people have become less tolerant. I think we have become conditioned to become meek. Your allergies concern collateral are very little compared to the potential for cancer in using human immmortal cells raised to be like cancer tumors cells, and from different organ or tissue sources (i.e. lung, kidney, brain, spleen, etc.)

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Spoken like someone who has not lived a lifetime with severe allergies. Note, I never implied that using human cells was BETTER than animal cells, simply that animal cells have plenty of problems of their own.

        And I’m sorry but standing up against child abuse, sexual abuse, and bullying is the OPPOSITE of “meek.” The only people who could possibly think “we have become conditioned to become meek” are those who have never had to worry about the effects of their actions on others before.

  21. Mike says:

    I work in the vaccine manufacturing industry. I found this post accidentally through a Google search.

    The cells in question are used to produce the target protein for vaccines. The cells and their DNA, along with any of the other proteins the cells produce, are not present in the final drug product. There are tremendous panels of testing during the manufacturing process specifically for these things. There is a huge purification process between harvested cells and final drug product.

    • Christopher Gorton says:

      Mike, I posted this earlier but you may have missed it. The excipient list of vaccine ingredients compiled by the CDC does list replicating cell host DNA and proteins. Specifically the MMRV, Shingles and Varicella vaccines ALL contain MRC-5 residual cells in the final product. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

    • Tonya Martone says:

      Although I respect your work and opinion. Credible articles tell otherwise. Companies go to great lengths to have a clean product. However, it is virtually impossible to separate the human cells.

    • klyneal says:

      But how does this explain the rise of autism and auto-immune disease that just happens to coincide with the vaccines made from human cells?

      When I was growing up in the 1960’s, autism and hyperactive kids were unheard of. Kids just seemed to be a whole lot healthier.

      Nor does it explain all the drugs on the market whose side effects are worse than the disease. Money is at the root of all evil. Pharmaceuticals are a major multi-billion dollar industry.

  22. shari says:

    I have a question. If we have these cells injected into us how do we get them out? It is impossible right? Is there some sort of herbal remedy to combat the effects this has on us? For instance I have inflammation in almost my entire body- I have severe iritis (inflammation of the iris), chronic fatigue, carpel tunnel, planter faciaitis, and nerve problems in my lower back (s-1 to l3)- I do believe the majority of these are caused from the vaccinations- I am 36 years old

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Essentially, your immune system has been skewed toward inflammation and the creation of antibodies that are attacking your own body. You don’t need to “get the cells out.” What you need to do is change how your immune system reacts to its own tissues. There are a number of ways to do this, but no certain cure for autoimmunity. You will want to bring down the inflammation and calm down the production of antibodies. It’s a complicated process for which you will probably need the help of a naturopath.

      • Peggy Winkel says:

        Try naturopaths, chiropractors, integrative medicine doctors, osteopaths and homeopaths with experience detoxing. As with all fields, some are better than others. Probiotics and CBD oils, a clean, organic diet and avoidance of toxins will help a lot. There are foods that trigger inflammation in some people; such as the nightshade family (potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, peppers (hot and regular), huckleberries, ground cherries/ashwaganda and goji berries, etc.). Methylation is a good topic to delve into online..it relates to detoxification and utilization of nutrients and is vastly interesting as well as helpful.

      • joanna says:

        after reading your symptoms you sound like me. i have all your symptoms and more and have just been diagnosed with chronic lyme disease and coinfections. as i read the information on this website it makes me wonder about the human tissue used in these vaccines and the realization that in many countries, these vaccines are mandatory. did they even test the donated tissue foor bacterial infectious diseases before using them?

    • Kat Smith says:

      Shari, had you ever taken fluoroquinolone antibiotic prior to onset of all your symptoms? I ask because your issues are all very common with people who have adverse effects from these drugs (Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox, Levofloxacin and many many others). They cause damage to mitochondria, many are left with long term pain & disability, often diagnosed with fibromyalgia, most have degrading painful tendons in feet, hands, shoulders, etc. Contact me if you have any questions or want to know what you can do if antibiotics preceeded the onset of your symptoms. There are great support groups that have helped many to recover, not heal, can’t heal mitochondria damage 🙁

  23. Julie says:

    The reality is that autism has been around for a very long time. Perhaps we should stop blaming vaccines for something that could be because of genetics, age, etc.

    Univeristy of Toronto states: Tiny gene fragments called microexons are linked to altered brain development in autism, according to new research from scientists at the University of Toronto.

    Some studies say circumcised boys have a higher risk of Autism.

    As men age they have a higher risk of having a child with autism (and other genetic problems).

    Autism has been around longer than vaccines. Stephen Stills (musician) has Aspergers, some say Bill Gates. Both before vaccines were around.

    My Mom, a teacher, starting in the 1960s says there are always kids with autisic behaviours, however they decided to put a label on the anti-social behaviour in order to get school funding in Canada. Hence, the label autistic.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Julie, you have zero evidence that severe autism has “been around for a very long time.” It has never been described anywhere until the 1940s. Asperger’s MAY have been around longer than vaccines have been, but you will certainly not prove it by using Stephen Stills or Bill Gates. I am only slightly younger than Bill Gates and Stephen Stills, and I was vaccinated against smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella. The first vaccine recommended for widespread use was the smallpox vaccine, which was created in 1798 (and until fairly recently that was the only thing that was actually referred to by the word “vaccine,” which was derived from the Latin word for cow as smallpox vaccine is made from cowpox).

      A recent study shows DIFFERENT brain changes in those with Asperger’s from those with severe autism. So making sweeping statements about Asperger’s, even if true (which is not at all clear), does not mean that they would necessarily apply to those with severe autism (which was what was meant by the word “autism” until 1994). Your mother the teacher did not “always” have severely autistic children in her class. Up to on-third of the people currently considered “autistic” are non-verbal. That was NOT something that was even remotely common in the 1960s, nor was regression after a child had begun speaking. These phenomena are new, at least in the large numbers we are seeing today.

      • Don Houston says:

        Not quite correct on autism not being described in the literature before Kanner, 1943. Kanner stated this, he was wrong which doesn’t say much for his research ability.
        I looked into this some years back on assumption that if autism was caused by vaccines then it should be traceable back to at least 1830 but by another name. I looked, I found.
        From documents dating back to about 1850 that I looked at you will find a condition that bears all the hallmarks of autism. Back then they were more honest in their terminology. It was called vaccinal encephalopathy – vaccine caused brain damage. Straight up and to the point, brain damage caused by vaccines.
        In the 1890s a man called Emile Kraeplin was attempting to bring some sense and method to psychiatric diagnoses and conditions. He noticed two conditions he considered to be identical except for age of onset. Many are actually familiar with Kraeplin’s work by the better known condition, senile dementia (which is now called Alzheimer’s even though senile dementia has precedence in the literature and is an accurate term), the other, dementia praecox which is now called autism. Kraeplin described these conditions in 1898 so Kanner was wrong in his statement that his autism was an entirely new condition never before seen in the medical literature.
        He should have been familiar with Kraeplin and his work.
        Vaccination has been around for over two hundred years, Bill Gates and that other bloke are not that old.
        As an interesting, but very much related aside, allergies did not exist in the medical literature prior to Jenner’s poisonous brew began being inflicted on people. Hay fever was described in the literature in 1805, seven years after vaccination began. Since then every new vaccine inflicted on our children is followed immediately with an increase in allergy rates.
        Allergies are the result of an immune system malfunctioning. By strange coincidence (vaccines cause more coincidences than anything else known), we have an increasing number and rate of people becoming allergic to themselves. Everything in a vaccine is immunogenic (can cause allergy or other aberrant immune response), have to wonder what sort of immune responses you get to human tissue. An allergy to human tissue could be a bit of a bummer considering what we are made up of.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Hi Don! We just ran Heather Fraser’s wonderful rundown on her book The Peanut Allergy Epidemic. Her work dovetails beautifully with what you found out about hayfever. Vaccines DEFINITELY increase atopy (tendency to allergy). And the autoimmunity aspect is I think the single biggest reason why we MUST make a HUGE dent in the amount of vaccinating we do and FAST.

        Thanks for the info on Kraeplin! I didn’t know about him, and I am now fascinated.

    • Peggy Winkel says:

      Vaccines have been around far longer than you think. I was vaccine injured by DPT in 1949 and soon after was diagnosed with autism in infancy. Encephalopathy caused by vaccination certainly contributes to autism. Another gift of DPT in the late 1940s and early 1950s was paralytic polio at the injection site, which was noted by researchers in the UK. 1949 was a major epidemic year of paralytic polio in children and infants. Most of us probably are not aware of how we came down with polio in that time period. Another factor in autism also occurred for me following DPT vaccination #2 and that was an almost fatal case of dysentary and some nasty gut damage, also associated with autism and a very important factor in how well I manage in life or do not…painful too. DPT shot #1 sent me into inconsolable screaming 2o hours a day, which was dismissed as colic, and oddly (snark) loss of appetite and feeding and fever. And the pattern of damage and dismissals of connection/lack of concern by the majority of the medical profession has continued for many decades while the toll of death and damage has risen and worsened as more vaccines have been added to the schedule. The only positive for me, probably, was that I did not have to get the polio vaccine containing the cancer triggering SV40 (simian virus) that is showing up in many cancers, which was used in the 50’s for a time. I also don’t know if there was a polio virus in the DPT vaccine accidentally or experimentally. I believe it was grown on monkey kidney also. Sad to use children, babies and other innocent creatures in such a long and horrible experiment while suppressing information about outcomes (for anyone who has not taken the time to read vaccine inserts these days).

    • Tonya Martone says:

      I agree, we have ALWAYS had kids with autism due to genes. However, look at the huge rise in this disorder in recent decades. It is not easy to get a diagnosis of autism. There has to be specific criteria and symptoms to get a diagnosis. Sooo…all of these new cases are not made up. There is also a rise in autoimmune disorders. Why is everyone so scared to have wi-38 properly evaluated for adverse reactions??? Thats the least we can do, unless we don’t want the truth. SAD

    • klyneal says:

      I beg to differ. I grew up in the 60’s. I can absolutely tell you, since I was there, that none of my friends exhibited anti-social behavior. There was no epidemic of hyper-active or autistic kids. None.

      When my sons were growing up in the 80’s and 90’s, both hyperactive kids and autistic children had become much more common. I know quite a few autistic kids, ranging from mild to severe, and they are ALL under 20 years of age.

      There has DEFINITELY been a major increase in autism.

      More kids are being diagnosed as ADHD and hyperactive as well.

      None of my friends or extended family that are my age, nor their friends, nor my parents generation ever had any of these issues. Not even one. Like I said, those that I do know of are all under 20 years of age. The evidence is all around us.

    • Margie says:

      “Autism has been around longer than vaccines. Stephen Stills has Aspergers, some say Bill Gates. Both before vaccines were around”. Julie, I am much older than Bill Gates and close in age to Stephen Stills. I received vaccines, as did my brothers and all my friends in the early 1950s. We were the post WWII generation and our parents had an unfallible trust in the US government during this time. Although I did not know of anyone with autism or ADD during those years, this was the time period the polio vaccine was contaminated with SV-40 and I am seeing many of my friends and classmates today dying of cancer.

  24. Jon Niedzwiecki says:

    All the circuitous logic and argument here, the overtight focus… Lack of studies? Why do antivax arguments totally ignore Veterinary Medicine? Minute bits of foreign DNA will damage you for life? Tell this to people whose lives were saved by properly screened transfusions of blood and plasma. Correlating statistics and time lines with actual events and processes is a flim flam numbers game without actual hard research to back it up. It is a distortion of evidence posing as fact that is indulged in every tie there is an election campaign. The rise in mental illness and autism rates are directly linked to cell phone and WI Fi usage. The numbers prove it. People in the Know, know this. Everybody needs a club to use and belong to.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      I’m sorry, but this is very funny comment. “Antivax arguments totally ignore Veterinary Medicne”? 🙂 You mean the veterinarians who acknowledge that overvaccinating pets leads to vaccinosis? And that many pets get cancers at the injection sites of their vaccines? No one is saying that “properly screened transfusions” have not saved lives, undoubtedly they have. That doesn’t mean that injecting something via a needle that is designed to stimulate an immune system response does not stimulate antibodies to the material in the injection, in this case human DNA. Why should autoimmune disease be such an unthinkable result? And I love the “flim flam numbers” comment with the “distortion of evidence posing as fact” when you make the claim that mental illness and autism rates are due to cell phone and WiFi usage and “the numbers prove it.” Such a delicious combination of ironic statements. Thanks for my morning’s amusement.

      • KristenM says:

        What is “Vaccinosis”?

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Vaccinosis is what veterinarians call it when dogs and cats develop diseases due to “excess” vaccination. Surprisingly enough, it is not “officially” recognized by the mainstream, like so many long-term, debilitating human diseases that are not easily defined, chronic Lyme disease, ME/CFS, fibromyalgia, etc. http://leerburg.com/pdf/vaccinosis.pdf

    • Tonya Martone says:

      Tell that to the growing number of Mothers and Fathers who happily took there children in to be vaccinated, only to have them stop talking, showing emotion, or wanting to be held. Watch silent epidemic on youtube. “We” have no reason to lie to the public. We are not getting paid. Unlike Big Pharm who makes billions in ADHD medication every year.

    • Margie says:

      Your statement regarding correlating statistics and timelines as flim flam….aren’t you guilty of this correlation when you link autism rates with cell phone and WI FI usage? I am not saying you are wrong about the deleterious effects of WI FI, but YOUR logic is a perfect example of what you are accusing others of.

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  26. Henrietta says:

    Sometimes googling is not enough when you don’t have the proper science background knowledge. WI-38 is medium the virus is GROWN in. It is NOT injecting in the vaccine. Your information and therefore entire argument is wrong. Also the fact that this line has been used for over 3 decades without issue is proof enough it is indeed safe to work with. My goodness, people want to blame vaccines and big pharma for everything while putting their children at risk.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      “Without issue”? How do you know it’s “without issue”? There are no studies done on the long-term outcomes of children who have been vaccinated. In addition, some of the medium the virus is GROWN in GETS into the injected vaccine. That’s what the whole SV-40 in the polio vaccines was about. (Read The Virus and the Vaccine if you don’t know what I’m talking about.) Those viruses were GROWN in monkey kidneys that just so happened to be contaminated with simian viruses that were not killed in the manufacturing process. To imply that the growth medium cannot affect what ends up in the injection is to grossly misrepresent how vaccines are made.

      • Eric says:

        No long term studies, I’m a long term study, been vaccinated for everything there is, had the flu shot many many times. Theres nothing wrong with me, I don’t have autism, I don’t have cancer, and obviously I havent died from vaccines. Get over yourselves and stop being panic artists over something that some hollywood blow hard said. Get your damn kids vaccinated and stop or slow down the spread of diseases.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Awesome! I’m delighted that “there’s nothing wrong with you,” but of course you realize that doesn’t mean anything for the rest of us, right? My mother chain smoked and made it to 91 with no hint of lung cancer. Does that mean that smoking doesn’t cause lung cancer? Nope!

        It would be wonderful if we could safely inject ourselves and “stop the spread of disease,” but that is an extreme oversimplification of complex processes. Stick around and read some of the other posts here and you’ll understand that there’s a whole lot of nuance that you’re missing out on.

    • Jackie Horton says:

      While the cells from WI38 and MRC5 may not be in the cells, their “residual DNA and protein” are per the Varicella vaccine insert. And also the insert mentions the tiny detail that “mutagenic effect has not been evaluated.” Here are inserts for your reading pleasure. http://www.immunize.org/packageinserts/

    • Chris Gorton says:

      Henrietta, this link provided from a Google search clearly lists the MRC-5 cells that ARE in vaccines such as the MMRV, Varicella and Shingles vaccine. ALL vaccines that use the fetal cell mediums including the WI-38, containthe original proteins and transfer residual DNA, the actual original fetal cells in vaccines are in those 3 I listed above, they cannot be removed in the centrifuge process in those products. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

  27. Madame Barker says:

    Green monkeys, ducks — and young girls as the guinea pigs.


    No long-term follow-up, so sure it’s “safe” in the minutes after administration.

    • Margie says:

      It boggles my mind that parents of these children actually gave written consent for this “experimental vaccine”.

  28. Madame Barker says:

    Oh, how we have forgotten. Arthralgias and neuropathy noted soon after the dog kidney rubella vaccine was used (see 1969-76):


    It was given to adolescent girls and young women. Could explain the current epidemic of fatigue-related chronic illnesses like chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia. As it wasn’t licensed for use outside of the U.S. (and Canada?), this could also explain why these conditions affect so females here.

    • Fiona Lynch says:

      Yes 2017 NVAC meetings viewable on You Tube….the day they discussed Personalisation of vaccines…there is confirmation that Rubella causes Arthritis in women, along with other revelations ….worth watching, as they may take these videoed meetings down from the Internet eventually. Interesting comments at 46.40 minute mark on the meeting entitled Mumps….Scientist Stanley Plotkin makes some factual revelations about Mumps genotype, poor B cell memory, etc…new vaccine needed? Genotype circulating in 2017 is G, not A, A being the MMR Mumps vaccine Genotype. This has been detected in fully vaccinated communities.

      • Andrew Linnell says:

        Fiona, 46.40 minute of which YouTube video from 2017 NVAC? There are many listed by day (1 or 2) and part (seems up to 6). Thanks – I think this will be very important.

  29. Madame Barker says:

    Why do the so-called autoimmune disorders target disproportionate nbers of females?

    In the Edmonston-Zagreb measles vaccine experiment, African girls received twice the dose given to boys. The experiment was canceled after causing many deaths.

    Then there’s the HeLa cell line.


  30. Via8 says:

    What if the 1966 cell line is the reason for the increase in mental illness in the United States? 1 in 5 children are currently grappling with mentally illness. This is a really great blog post that opened my eyes to other factors. I researched this back in 2007 when I became aware that varicella vaccines carried aborted fetal cells. I was shocked and frightened, and while I am Catholic, but choose to not judge others who have abortions, the idea that vaccines have carried these cell lines for so many years made my jaw drop. I expressed my concerns to my child’s developmental pediatrician who advised me to have a titers test done to determine if my son even needed the vaccine. The test confirmed that he still had immunity and no vaccine was necessary. However, the Catholic church states that we can refuse vaccines containing the aborted cells, but at the same time must lobby to make them safer, something that decent Catholics and people of many other faiths have been doing for so many years only to be met with contempt and vitriol. I do believe that not only must we lobby the govt and pharma for safer vaccines, we must also lobby within our own faiths for more clarity on this issue and a more balanced position that takes the hundreds of thousands of vaccine injuries sustained by our children into consideration. Thanks for the great post!

    • Jackie Horton says:

      Interesting you mention mental illness. Several of the vaccine inserts do mention “psychiatric disorders” as an adverse reaction. http://www.immunize.org/packageinserts/

      I am a Protestant Christian and we go by the final word of the Bible which states “Do not participate in the deeds of darkness but expose them.” Eph 5:11 And that is exactly what many of us are doing now in Cali as we fight the draconian bill SB277 that seeks to eliminate our personal/religious belief exemptions to vaccination.

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      • Sue says:

        Jackie Horton, would that all Christians felt the the same way. The Living Whole blog took a prominent Christian organization to task a few months ago because they pretty much regurgitated what the Vatican said about using vaccines developed from aborted human babies. http://www.livingwhole.org/dear-focus-on-the-family-youre-on-the-wrong-side-of-the-vaccine-controversy/ “If an ethical alternative is not available, parents must protect their children by injecting them with vaccines made from aborted human babies.” That whistling sound you hear is the moral vacuum emanating from the highest levels of Christendom…..

      • Tonya Martone says:

        I’ve been praying for you all in California. The fight is not easy. Don’t give up hope. We win in the end!

      • RL says:

        Can you tell me which ones? I have a 1 & 2 year old that haven’t been vaccinated. Their dad is trying to make me look negligent b/c I haven’t vaccinated them. Since I have a 1 and 2 year old, I can’t sit here and sift through all of the inserts to see which has “Psychiatric disorders” listed as an adverse reaction…

  31. Madame Barker says:

    One more post.

    What if WI-38’s mother really was a psychiatric patient? Let’s say she had schizophrenia, or clinical depression. Ever heard of interleukin 6 (IL-6)?


    • Madame Barker says:

      And of course, estrogen plays a role with IL-6! More implications for the female preponderance of FMS, females having more estrogen than men.

  32. Madame Barker says:

    More of my postulations about chronic fatigue and related syndromes like fibromyalgia:

    “…meaning if they were “tested” to be safe and healthy in the 1960s, are they necessarily safe and healthy cells in today’s world? And what is the impact on a human baby being injected with another fetus’s (possibly of a different sex) cells? Is it possible that the baby’s body may think they are foreign and attack them? Is it possible the baby’s body may get confused and attack its own cells? Is it possible the fetus’s DNA from these cells can recombine with the baby’s cells and insert its DNA?”

    I think you have summarized my concerns! Bear in mind that the first children who received these vaccines are now in their 50s. We have seen post-polio syndrome in children who were vaccinated, but did not have polio. Could it be that the chronic fatigue-fibromyalgia generation is experiencing a similar effect? This should be considered.

    Our culture of blame and shame seems to put the responsibility for these conditions on the people who are suffering from them. They’re mostly white, we hear, and female. Hello — wasn’t WI-38 a white female from Sweden? Maybe people from European bloodlines (i.e. white from Nordic/Celtic/Viking/Scandinavian/anywhere the Vikings went) are more vulnerable than others to long-term inflammation and immune effects from the long-dividing WI-38 cell line. Rubella vaccines of the early 1970s came from WI-38.

    Maybe these immune/inflammatory issues should be blamed on Wi-38, instead of the people who were vaccinated.

  33. Madame Barker says:

    Thank you for raising this issue. It is my belief that we are now paying the price for using WI-38 to this day for vaccine development and research. I have posted here:


    Madame Barker •

    Further to my previous post about the rubella vaccine, bear in mind that WI-38 was a female. This may be relevant to the predominance of females with CFS (if my theory is correct).


    The WI-38 cell line was derived from human lung fibroblasts. Now consider:

    ” Fascia is richly innervated, and the major cell of the fascia, the fibroblast, has been shown to secrete pro-inflammatory cytokines, particularly IL-6, in response to strain.”

    From: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20006283

    More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibroblast

    How many times have those cells replicated, and what is the chance of something going wrong in the cell’s code over the course of many decades and countless freeze and thaw cycles? Surely human cells are not meant to replicate infinitely.

    Madame Barker •

    I continue to think that chronic fatigue syndrome and related conditions like fibromyalgia may be a dumping ground diagnosis in some cases. A recent research project found that 10% of fibromyalgia patients in the study actually had hyperparathyroidism. The study concluded that all fibromyalgia patients should be tested for hyperparathyroidism. This is a matter of testing serum calcium, PTH and vitamin D. Parathyroid surgery effectively eliminated symptoms in these cases, saving health care dollars otherwise spent on tests and treatments that were inappropriate and ineffective.

    The other matter at hand is that those currently experiencing chronic fatigue and FM were the first generation to be vaccinated against childhood diseases. We already know that the early polio vaccines were rushed to market, and some were contaminated with simian virus. It isn’t just those who contracted polio who have come down with post-polio syndrome. Some received the vaccine.

    Why a disproportionate number of females with chronic fatigue? Has anyone considered that adolescent females were vaccinated for rubella in the early 1970s, but males were not? Although many of these females may have already had immunity, the vaccine was given in case they didn’t, in order to protect fetuses during future pregnancies.

    The rubella vaccine and others were grown using human cells, partly because of the earlier polio vaccine contamination. Could there be a problem dating back to the original cells used to grow these vaccines, now wreaking havoc among a certain (susceptible) percentage of the population who received them?


  34. robert says:

    You do realize that every time you kiss someone, drink from the same glass, etc you are getting their DNA and their cell components? What is this world coming to!!!

    And every time you eat communion bread, you are getting mold DNA, and mold cells. every time you eat asparagus, MORE plant DNA!!!

    Why are we living longer and longer??? I’ll bet you “Science Moms” don’t ask yourself that very often, do you.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      And you do realize that ingestion by mouth does not equal injection by hypodermic syringe in effect upon the body, don’t you? Otherwise, there would be no need whatsoever to inject vaccines in order to stimulate an immune response. It’s the immune response to the human DNA that is the concern. But don’t let us spoil your sarcasm-fest with facts…

      • Madame Barker says:

        I don’t think many people kiss a 53-year-old lung fibroblast that has been frozen and thawed and divided its cells infinite times, do you? Many people do, however, have it injected into their bodies, where it stays for the rest of their lives.

      • BLC1 says:

        You don’t need to inject things to get an immune response – several vaccines are/can be given orally. And think about what you are worrying about – nanograms of human DNA from a vaccine causing a multitude of diseases while thousands are alive and well after receiving entire kidneys, lungs, hearts, gallons of blood. Show me a single person anywhere where you can isolate any WI38 DNA even a few days after the vaccine.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        You don’t NEED to “inject things” to get an immune response, but the fact that the vast majority of vaccines ARE injected is no accident. Those injections are done in order to stimulate an immune response that would not have happened without the delivery method of injection. (Even skin testing, with its not particularly deep penetration of antigen into the skin, has been implicated in “sensitization” — i.e. immune activation — to the antigen in the skin prick.) “Thousands are alive and well after receiving entire kidneys, lungs, hearts,” etc. because they take powerful IMMUNOSUPPRESSIVE drugs for the “rest of their lives.” I happen to think the natural design of the immune system is a wonderful thing, and I don’t care to induce the need to suppress it forever, UNLESS the need for a clear and present need for an organ transplant exists.

    • Tonya Martone says:

      My guess is that you are very young. Digesting something is VERY different from having it injected into your body. When it is digested, it usually comes out of your body as waste. When it is injected, it stays in the body. We are living longer due to being more educated and cleaner. For example, not too long ago in history, Doctors did NOT know to wash there hands between patients. Going from an autopsy to giving birth. Vaccines should NOT take the credit for our health. Ironically, the human immune system is lowered significantly after being vaccinated. They also dont protect us for long. If a disease is able to take its course naturally, you have immunity for life. Again, im not against vaccines. I just wnt them to be further studies and SAFE 100%

  35. Oreoluwa Thompson says:


    Evidence is negative and indirect
    Sometimes kills and frequently injures
    Causes over sixty different diseases
    Diseases are usually worse than smallpox
    Has been known to sometimes make smallpox
    Slightly increases the chances of taking smallpox
    Kills more than smallpox and injures untold thousands
    Has no scientific basis; no ascertained law or principle
    Is enforced by doctors as a dogma; without being understood
    Is only good for “fees;” isolation stops smallpox; it takes credit
    Does not mitigate smallpox; thousands of vaccinated persons die
    Is contaminating and infecting with vile, filthy, decaying poisonous matter
    When successful consists in bringing about a permanent, unnatural, diseased condition

    Evidence against vaccination is direct and positive
    Pure virus is a pure lie; it is animal pus poison
    Persons vaccinated by Jenner himself afterwards took smallpox
    Spontaneous cowpox is a myth; usually it’s of syphilitic origin
    Cancer and Bright’s disease have enormously increased under it
    Probably Jenner killed his own son by vaccinating him frequently
    Consumption follows vaccination as effect follows cause, until now one in every six or seven dies with consumption
    Ribaldry and abuse largely constitute the arguments in favor of vaccination; when attacked it is defenseless
    When vaccination kills, facts are suppressed, and health (?) boards return death certificates so made out

    Because Smallpox:
    Epidemics never increase the general mortality
    Epidemics usually commence with vaccinated persons
    Death rates are as great now as before vaccination
    If intelligently handled, is easily cured and controlled
    Epidemics since vaccination have been worse than those before
    Was not a bad disease before doctors attempted to eradicate it
    Itself cannot protect from smallpox any more than vaccination can
    Continued to increase under vaccination until sanitation came into more general use
    Inoculation was believed in and practiced by the doctors for one hundred years, multiplying smallpox everywhere
    Was checked by the cessation of inoculation, not by the introduction of vaccination
    Is the only disease for which the doctors have an infallible remedy; and it is the only disease that has the same death rate as two hundred years ago

    Usually vaccinated cities and towns have the most smallpox
    Hygienists can cure smallpox, or eradicate it easily; with no scare
    All epidemics prove the doctors are blind leaders of the blind
    There is every probability that smallpox would have followed its kindred diseases, the black death, the plague and the sweating sickness into oblivion had it not been kept alive by doctors
    Doctors instead of trying to find out anything about smallpox simply cry “Vaccinate!” “Vaccinate!!” “VACCINATE!!!”
    Taken from Vaccination in the The New Cycle, Published in 1899, Volume 10; pp. 63-64

  36. Ann says:

    I don’t want my kids vaccinated. But since schools and day cares require to be vaccinated and I’m not religious, how do I survive my kids to be unvaccinated. Can anyone share something helpful? Thank you

    • Cat says:

      HOMESCHOOL! It is awesome. Join a local homeschool support group and dive right in.

    • M Green says:

      First, I’d check out this map and see if you live in a state that allows you to exempt for philosophical reasons. Hopefully you do. http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx

      After that, I don’t know. Looks like you may be in a very long fight to get these exemptions–complete with lobbying and organizing.

    • Chris says:

      The nurses office has an exemption form.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Not everywhere, Chris. That’s why she needs to look up what the exemptions are in her state. Exemptions are extremely difficult to obtain in New York City, for instance.

    • Jackie Horton says:

      Ann – you do not need to belong to a church in order to have a moral conviction.

      How are religious beliefs defined by law?
      Religious practices are defined by law to include moral or ethical beliefs about what is right and wrong that are sincerely held with the strength of traditional views. – 29 C.F.R. §1605.1 The Military respects this law.
      The Supreme Court has held that “religious beliefs” do not need to include a belief in God in the western theological sense of the word. The beliefs only need to be “religious in nature” and “sincerely held.” See, e.g., Sherr and Levy vs. Northport East-Northport Union Free School District, 672 F. Supp. 81, 98 (E.D.N.Y., 1987) (holding that the state “must offer the exemption to all persons who sincerely hold religious beliefs. . .”).

      People are waking up to this madness. The fight is currently on in Cali against SB277 which seeks to eliminate our personal and religious belief exemptions.

    • Aleatha says:

      Yes, homeschool and stay out of the public system that insists on vaccinations. If you are in California, however, you are stuck.

      • Lynne says:

        Not justs California, but Mississippi also.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        California recently removed “personal belief exemptions” with a controversial new law, SB277, but grandfathers in existing exemptions while the child remains in the same school. Mississippi and West Virginia have NO exemptions other than medical, and Mississippi is among the states with the very worst record on children’s health.

      • Margie says:

        Are you saying that even if you home school in California, your children will still be forced to get vaccinations? How does that work? Are the “authorities” going to force themselves into people’s homes to vaccinate their children?

    • Tonya Martone says:

      You have to get a religious exemption. Its very easy to get from the local health department in your city. Im not religious either. Unfortunatley, its the only way.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        It may be “very easy” to get a religious exemption from the local health department in YOUR city, but the difficulty varies across the country. It is not possible at all in West Virginia and Mississippi, and it is no longer possible in California for those who are not “grandfathered in.” In addition, states that DO have religious exemptions frequently make it very difficult. New York City has been taking over a year to decide and denying religious exemptions right and left.

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  38. Amazing research Beaker! This so sickens me. What have we done to the human race? I wish I could wake up from this nightmare! You are a researcher extraordinaire! I am so proud to be on teamtmr with you!!!

  39. Robert Wolfe says:

    Both of these cell lines are old enough that they could have come from fetuses of mothers who had received the SV40 contaminated polio vaccine. They might not be contaminated with SV40 itself, but could be contaminated with SV40s large T-antigen, which in itself can turn a cell toward becoming cancerous. I’m not saying that they are contaminated, but I sincerely doubt that big pharma has checked for either SV40, or its large and small t-antigens!

  40. Naiomi says:

    The worst part is what the number means. WI-38 means it was the 38th aborted fetus they tested to find the compatible cell type for the cell line. I am a catholic and heard this info on catholic radio before my kids were born and chose not to vaccinate for moral reasons.

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  42. MamaBear says:

    I am grandmother to a severely vaccine-injured child and a devout Catholic. It would be good to clarify the two links in your article.

    The report in the CDC web site comes from the Catholic Bishops Conference of England & Wales. It’s a bit of a reach for an American governmental agency to publish a 20-year old news release from a foreign country. Since this report is posted as part of the CDC “Immunization Managers” page, I think the aim is to convince those seeking religious exemption that vaccines are OK.

    The document link from Vatican, like the link from the UK. Bishops, concerns the ethical morality of using vaccines containing aborted fetal cells. The conclusion confirms that: “there is a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems.”

    (By the way, I could not find the link to “a post by a priest.” I would like to look that up if you could provide the link.)

    As a knowledgeable pro-life Catholic, I heard about the link between aborted fetal cells and vaccines years ago. My gut instinct tells me that having aborted cells in vaccines has done irreparable harm to our children.


  43. Vforba says:

    If I am not mistaken when we initially started using fetal cells for creating things to use to help heal people like Parkinson’s Disease didn’t scientists eventually find out that while they thought these so-called blank fetal stem cells were the new cure all. But after much experimentation, they found that these cells could possibly mutate and cause all sorts of problems. Yet when stem cells taken from the patient themselves were much successful in helping or even curing people. So it only makes sense to me that if that is true and I have remembered correctly, the use of fetal stem cells are not at all safe. Because they have an instability and are constantly changing.

  44. Gayl Hamilton says:

    I am very much concerned with vaccine safety, and as a physician do not recommend any for any patient anymore. However, with the cell lines that are used for culture, technically the cells themself don’t go into the vaccine, but the viral particles are grown and extracted from them. That being said, no one has ever addressed the possibility of genetic material from the cell lines being transferred to the viral particles, or any particles genetic material/cellular debris actually passing into the solution the vaccines are delivered in.
    Any argument that we deliver in the name of vaccine safety needs to be pristine, because mainstream medicine is ready to jump down our throats for the least bit of a slip up!

  45. Susie says:

    Oh and FYI, Dr. Deisher, the founder of Sound Choice Pharmaceuticals as mentioned in the article, is one informed CATHOLIC!

  46. Susie says:

    Joanna, did you read the link that was posted in the article from The Vatican? It does not say that they are “okay w/ vaccines because they think they are critical for health.” Please read it again. It actually says the opposite, that the faithful need to be given options other than those that contain aborted fetal DNA. And, the letter says that the faithful may make a conscientious objection to the vaccines that contain aborted fetal DNA. Here is an excerpt… “However, in this situation, the aspect of passive cooperation is that which stands out most. It is up to the faithful and citizens of upright conscience (fathers of families, doctors, etc.) to oppose, even by making an objection of conscience, the ever more widespread attacks against life and the “culture of death” which underlies them. From this point of view, the use of vaccines whose production is connected with procured abortion constitutes at least a mediate remote passive material cooperation to the abortion, and an immediate passive material cooperation with regard to their marketing. Furthermore, on a cultural level, the use of such vaccines contributes in the creation of a generalized social consensus to the operation of the pharmaceutical industries which produce them in an immoral way. Therefore, doctors and fathers of families have a duty to take recourse to alternative vaccines13 (if they exist), putting pressure on the political authorities and health systems so that other vaccines without moral problems become available. They should take recourse, if necessary, to the use of conscientious objection 14 with regard to the use of vaccines produced by means of cell lines of aborted human foetal origin. Equally, they should oppose by all means (in writing, through the various associations, mass media, etc.) the vaccines which do not yet have morally acceptable alternatives, creating pressure so that alternative vaccines are prepared, which are not connected with the abortion of a human foetus, and requesting rigorous legal control of the pharmaceutical industry producers.”

    It is unfortunate that not all of the faithful, laypersons and religious which would include priests, are not aware that The Vatican does support conscientious objection to the vaccines in question. Also, there is quite a bit of language in The Catechism of the Catholic Church, numerous encyclicals (writings from various Popes), and canon law that supports the faithfuls’ right and duty to fully research medical interventions for their families and to come to their own moral conclusions regarding those medical interventions which would include all vaccinations. You can see more from these sources here: http://www.cogforlife.org/catholic-exemptions/ I would encourage any Catholic who is seeking religious exemptions from vaccinations for their children to visit this page when writing their religious exemption. I have my own letter that I have used for three of my children who attended a Catholic preschool that went uncontested each time. It is extremely unfortunate that there are some Bishops and Diocese that continue to be unaware that they are not following Church Doctrine when some children have been denied their right to a religious exemption. However, at least in my state, private schools (Catholic or otherwise) are not required to honor religious exemptions. The faithful and all of those concerned should fight for these laws to be changed, so that all children have the right to attend private schools, regardless if they are fully vaccinated.

    I hope this clears up a bit some misconceptions regarding The Catholic Church and it’s beliefs regarding vaccinations in general. Please do not take one misinformed Priest’s words as dogma for what The Catholic Church actually teaches.

  47. Moma says:

    So what are we to do if our children are already vacinated or partially vaccinated?
    Also if they are not vaccinated and then develop something what do you do to treat?
    are there hollistic links or resources you use/recommend?

    • Levi says:

      Most infectious diseases are treatable. The biggest concern for most is dehydration. It’s important to keep children hydrated when they are ill and not to medicate with Tylenol. Tylenol impairs detoxification pathways that are needed to overcome illness. Specifically, polio and whooping cough are treatable with Vit C, measles with Vit A. Mercola.com has a lot of resources on this as well as NVIC.org and pathwaystofamilywellness.org

    • Tonya Martone says:

      chelation therapy. It is not covered by insurance. There were 9 holistic Drs murdered around the US on the same day. One of them was Dr bradstreet from Boca Raton Fl. They were all against vaccines. They were all treating victims of ADHD and Autism successfully. They were also all being contacted by the FBI before their deaths. After the murders, major cities were inoculated with the measels in an effort to scare the population into being vaccinated.

  48. LS says:

    “My people perish for a lack of knowledge”

    Hosea 4:6

  49. Joanna says:

    So, the Vatican is okay w/ vaccines because they think they are critical for health, but stem cells are a no-no? You can’t have it both ways…

  50. "Retired" scientist says:

    Your story sounds oddly similar to mine. I have a PhD in immunology and was a scientist working for a company that developed something called DNA vaccines, until my 5mo daughter started having nonstop seizures several weeks after her 4month vaccines. She was later diagnosed with mitochondrial disease, but I fully believe the vaccinations caused a decompensatuon event that led to her seizures and subsequent encephalopathy and significant developmental delay. I am now a stay at home scientist and my daughter never received another vaccine and my 2yr old son has never gotten one. I only wish I knew then what I know now…my 7yo daughter could be in a much different place right now.

  51. Great piece, but why do you think it’s just human DNA that could be a problem? I don’t see animal or virus DNA any less troublesome. They are all “foreign invaders”…

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Definitely! The polio vaccine was grown on monkey kidney cells and were contaminated with SV-40, which turns out to cause certain nasty cancers among other things. In addition the DNA could be doing funky things as well. The first thing that comes to mind for me, though, when I think about the idea of injecting human cells with adjuvants designed to stimulate antibody production, is that it could go a long way toward explaining the huge explosion in autoimmune conditions. In autoimmune conditions the body is attacking itself with antibodies specific to things that should be harmless. If the body makes antibodies against the “human” invader, those antibodies will eventually attack their human host as well.

      • The reason human DNA is more dangerous than animal DNA is because of what is known as “homologous recombination” where the DNA can insert itself into the vaccine recipient’s cells and yes – it sure can cause auto-immune disorders as well. DNA does not cross species so animal DNA is rejected – not absorbed. Dr Deisher’s work is critical. For more info please visit our website at http://www.cogforlife.org – we link directly to Dr Deisher as well.

      • Robert Wolfe says:

        I don’t feel the body is attacking itself. The diagnosis is dependent on finding antinuclear antibody. There are many viruses and bacteria that can get into a cell’s nucleus. The changes initiated by these microvermin are the reason that our immune system is going after the nucleus. There is no autoimmune disease! It isn’t an out of whack immune system, it’s an out of whack nucleus!

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        I’m not sure what diagnosis you’re talking about, but from what I know there are a number of different kinds of antibodies that the body can make that will make it attack itself. The particular antibodies in question determine where the attack takes place and what symptoms are produced. For example, the adjuvant squalene will cause antibodies to be created that attack squalene, which is normally located in the human body and concentrated in joints. Those antibodies then attack the joints. The antibodies can’t get rid of the squalene, because it isn’t a foreign invader. It belongs in the body in the first place. Thus the body is in a constant inflammtory state. In that sort of disease, there is no need for an out of whack nucleus

    • Tonya Martone says:

      They are not human foriegn invaders. Thats the difference. Example…cannibles were studies and found to be getting a disease that attacks there nerves in their brain. They were digesting the tissue. Im sure the effects are far worse if they are injected

    • William says:

      Human fetal DNA fragments disable immune system so it cannot destroy manufacturing DNA fragments which God given immune system did very efficiently. The human fetal DNA fragments now merge with child’s genome in process called Insertional Mutagenesis creating denovo mutations that start immune response sending antibodies to attack organs and autoimmune disease.

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  53. Amber says:

    I do remember reading that a lot of “psychiatric abortions” in those days were given to single moms. I’d have to find the link, but that was pretty common. Really, this is the worst of science from that era, kind of the remnants of Nazi-era disgusting junk. Why do we want the worst of science, instead of progressing?

  54. Amber says:

    Dr. Deisher investigated how much fetal tissue was actually in the vaccines (DNA) and it was higher than anticipated. I think the rationale is that the tissue is filtered out, but that is not actually happening in practice. Also, there was a lot of variability between batches (really, that could be a very common sense explanation as to why some kids get autism and others don’t). For more information I highly recommend visiting her Sound Choice Pharmaceuticals website, lots of research there. For the record, Dr. Deisher is a truly gifted scientist, with so much compassion for children. She also a big heart for our anaphylactic kiddos. Dr. Deisher, it would be great to hear your thoughts on causes behind the peanut allergy epidemic as well. Thank you for this great article Beaker.

    • Don Houston says:

      All vaccines contain traces of the culture medium in them. These contaminants could be removed but the effort and cost would make a considerable impact on profit margins. Many allergies can be traced to vaccines without much trouble, severe latex allergies from traces of latex in the hepatitis B vaccine, egg allergies from flu vaccines cultured on chicken eggs, beef, pork and sheep allergies to the bovine, ovine and porcine erythrocytes used a few years back to promote a stronger response to the blood serum from these animals used today.
      There is a thing called adjuvant in all modern vaccines and this is the most destructive component of vaccines because its purpose it to force your immune system to severely overreact. It is called an, enhanced reaction in the literature. No matter what the name given the effect on the immune system is devastating. Adjuvant is the prime drive behind allergies, inflammatory disorders, demyelination, autoimmunity, brain damage etc.
      And now we come to excipients. Excipients are supposedly biologically inert substances used in medications. In most cases biologically inert is an opinion rather than a fact. Because excipients are theoretically inert they are not required to be listed on vaccine package inserts. Peanut oil is used as an excipient (carrier) in many vaccines so when your immune system is driven to overreact and it comes across peanut oils and proteins it goes too far and you wind up with peanut allergies, serious peanut allergies.
      Sesame oil I believe is also used in some vaccines as an excipient.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Unfortunately, the peanut oil as excipient cannot be verified by ingredient lists anywhere. If you can find proof of that, that would be awesome.

        Also, not ALL modern vaccines contain adjuvants (the live-virus vaccines don’t). The adjuvants licensed in the United States are aluminum salts, which definitely have negative effects. But I spoke with Lucija Tomjlenovic a few months back and told her that a researcher I know is convinced that aluminum completely explains the increase in autism, etc. I said I wasn’t convinced. She said not only was she NOT convinced, she was convinced that it was NOT the only problem with vaccines. The intention behind a vaccine is hyperstimulation of the immune system. Repeated hyperstimulation of the developing immune system cannot help but have effects on said immune system, which in turn has direct effects on the neurological system. It is no wonder we are seeing large increases in neurological disorders.

  55. Sue says:

    As a Catholic mom of a child with vaccine-induced autism, I thank you for your research. I learned recently (after I stopped vaccinating my kids) about the aborted fetal tissue component in vaccines. This is not something that is well-known, and in fact, the Catholic schools near me require these vaccines for their kids to attend. I will be sure to pass this along to them!

    That said, I am disgusted by pretty much ALL of the ingredients in the vaccines my kids received: mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, bovine serum, aborted fetal tissue, etc. I can’t imagine anyone thinking that any of these ingredients are a good thing to inject in children. If only I knew then what I know now…

    • Beaker says:

      Thank you for your comments Sue. I too am upset by all the vaccine ingredients and when I realized the truth about these ingredients I too had a 😉 WINK moment (What I Now Know… read my chapter in the new TEAM TMR book for more WINKS!).

      Please pass along… Knowing this information NEEDS to be part of INFORMED consent BEFORE we inject our babies.

  56. Mama says:

    I was aware of this (after the fact for my kids) and find it concerning and odd. My question is, if the vaccines were “developed” from these fetuses lung tissue, how much of their DNA would be actually “contained” within today’s vaccines. I don’t know enough to know how developing something from something else translates into that something else being contained within the product. My simplistic mind would think that, of course, there would be at least trace amounts of something from the human DNA in the vaccines, but I am not sure. And, how could 2 fetuses’ lung tissues (which must not be that much tissue to start with?) serve to be contained within all the millions of vaccines that are out there? Does it “run out” at some point, or is it kind of like a yogurt culture that keeps perpetuating itself??? These are my questions…how much 1960s psychiatric aborted fetal tissue is actually in the vaccines?

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      The original cells from the fetus aborted back in the 1960s no longer exist, but tissue cultivated from those cells continues to be used in many ways. I think your first question is a great one for further research.

    • The DNA does not go away – never. If it did, the cell line would become unstable and unfit for virus cultivation. The cell line was established from the lung tissue – and that cell line is then cultured in the lab and allowed to grow. It is then frozen. When vaccines are made they will use the cell line, recultivate, refreeze, etc. Scientists state it would last for around 50 population doublings ( a long time) but it will eventually become unstable, unfit for vaccine use and die. The only cell lines that would live indefinitely are cancer cells.

    • Tonya Martone says:

      The cells are cultured and replicated. They are also frozen and thawed and refrozen consitintly

  57. Prosciencemom says:

    I would like to know what the “psychiatric reasons” were for the abortion that produced the MRC-5 line. Was the mother autistic?

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      I don’t think that you can get an answer to that. And it’s very, very unlikely. Autism was extremely rare in the 1960s. Of course, so were legal abortions.

    • Okay I actually asked this question when I first began investigating this 14 years ago. A visiting priest from the UK (where the MRC-5 abortion was done for “psychiatric reasons”) told me that this was a common excuse filed in paperwork after an abortion because – abortion was not legal at the time EXCEPT for “health of the mother” – and that included mental health. So he told me “It was done with a wink and a nod by the abortionist and mother who simply wanted an abortion and claimed she couldn’t endure having a child or some other such nonsense.”

    • Prosciencemom says:

      Yes, I understand what both of you are saying, but if there is any possible way to track down ANY information on the mother of that aborted fetus…wouldn’t it be interesting if the elusive “autism gene” they’ve wasted so much money looking for was actually injected into most of the population, starting in the 1960’s…that would explain why they are now so desperate to inject pregnant women with not just one but two vaccines. They know that people are going to be demanding studies on unvaccinated newborns. What better way to hide the link to vaccines than to make sure the baby is exposed to thimerosal-preserved AND aluminum-adjuvanted vaccines in utero?

      Back in the 1960’s, those extremely rare autistic people were institutionalized. Young women who were institutionalized for “mental” reasons at that time suffered all kinds of horrors, including rape, forced sterilization–and forced abortions…

      Sadly, I think you’re right, and that we will never be able to get an answer.

    • Jackie Horton says:

      sounds like a great lead for a great investigative story! Maybe we should get Sharyl Atkisson on it! 🙂

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