I’m Not Afraid of Measles; I’m Afraid of Hatred

February 15, 2019

I am normally a pretty chill person when it comes to the whole “anti-vaxxers” nonsense. I’ve spent so many years in this conversation that most of the nasty articles and vile comments and heartache just roll right off me. I get that those folks do not get it. Whether it’s ignorance, unwillingness to listen and think, fear, or hearing  so much crazy over the years they just go along with it, I don’t know, and most days I don’t care.

But sometimes, it is just too much.

So, from now on, let me make very clear that I have a child who was harmed by a vaccine.

It destroyed her body and her childhood. She is nearing adult age, and we have worked tirelessly to undo or manage all the issues that came from my willingness to “trust” that the science was there and vaccines were safe, as we were told.

For the last fifteen years I have read hundreds of books, both pro and anti and in the middle. I have earned a number of certificates from top universities on the subjects of vaccines, trials, environment and health. I have been a part of over 200 online or webinar-type classes, ranging from autoimmune disorders and autism to brain abnormalities and genetics.

I have attended numerous medical conferences and spoken about or taught classes on epigenetics, biomedical approaches in health, and caring for special needs children. I have volunteered for numerous organizations. I have no idea how many families I have sat with over the years discussing these topics, but my guess would be in the thousands.

I have watched my daughter lose the ability to speak, watched her go through seizures, dealt with the damage to multiple body systems, and had her brain scanned, genes tested, and panels done many, many times.

I have held a screaming child for sixteen hours a day and faced the choice to institutionalize her. I have prayed for answers and doctors and science and, hell, even politicians to help (or at least listen!).

I know what it’s like to be called to school every day, to have to cook every meal from scratch, to hold my child down so they don’t hurt themselves.

I can explain mitochondrial disorders, enzymes, and inflammation and name every ingredient in a vaccine in my sleep. I can rattle off the history of vaccines and tell you the problems in recruiting for trials and the failures to address reporting of adverse events or true informed consent.

I have every medical journal bookmarked and my browser set to notify me of anything relevant so that I don’t miss something that may help another family—and I read them. Over and over. And no, I don’t have a “Google degree” or get my information from shady websites; I get my information from the same sources that your health organizations, scientists, and doctors use.

I don’t sell anything, I don’t profit from anyone, and, no, the government isn’t paying for a damned thing. We can’t sue anyone, we had to fight for medical insurance for years, have been denied life insurance still to this day, and have had to change schools multiple times in my daughter’s short little life. Every day is a challenge for her. While other teens are contemplating their futures, mine would be happy with a friend.

My worry these days is not about the media calling me crazy or a conspiracy theorist or someone who wants their kid to get diseases. Nope. My worry is whether my child will live if she is subjected to another vaccine when it nearly destroyed her the last time.

My worry is that the venom that is coming from the same people who are supposed to love, protect, educate, legislate, and care for our kids leaks into her ears and she believes the horrible things said about her or us.

My fear is not measles; it is hatred.

It’s family that is fine with sacrificing my daughter’s life for some bullshit fifty cases of measles in a population of millions and millions. It’s the lawmakers that can’t be bothered to hear all of us screaming we aren’t “anti-vaxxers”; we are parents of children already harmed. It’s the friends who talk iron lungs and ignore our kids who are seizing and fighting to breathe every day—sometimes literally hundreds of times a day. It’s the adults who haven’t had a vaccine since they were children  yelling about how I am “putting others at risk” and it’s all about “protecting the vulnerable”—but can’t seem to comprehend that “the vulnerable” include our kids.

It’s those who preach kindness and compassion and then go into attack mode as soon as media tells them to. It’s the churches who hide behind money instead of standing on their beliefs. And, of course, it’s the media who won’t dare give you the facts, because pharma pay their bills, no matter how many people it hurts.

These are the things I fear.

I get it. Our kids were the sacrifice. Nobody said thank you or sorry, and nobody is here to help us after the damage is done. Nobody will even acknowledge we exist. Instead of offering love and acceptance, we take those who sadly lost so much and make them the bad guys. We bully them, torture them, accuse them of spreading disease, threaten their kids, remove their educations, label them, destroy their careers, exclude them from everything, take away their medical care, lock them in closets, make sure their family and friends disown them as opposed to supporting them.

And, when all else fails, we will mandate the very thing that has no liability and will kill them.

So the next time you post one of those ridiculous articles or some nasty meme, I am going to take it that you would also feel it appropriate to spit on a soldier’s grave, to mock those with cancer, to kill someone who is disabled, to mandate peanut butter be fed to those with nut allergies, to debate how someone’s loved one died, to require everyone with an illness to be treated with an experimental drug, to remove all liability from your car manufacturers, and allow the government to make all your medical choices, right?

No? That sound a little crazy? So does not understanding that my child has endured enough. ENOUGH.

I don’t care what you have to say about my decisions, but I do care if your hatred will kill my kid.

Now if you want to have a real discussion, we, the parents of the vaccine injured, have been asking for that for years.

~ Crush

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274 Responses to I’m Not Afraid of Measles; I’m Afraid of Hatred

  1. David Weiner says:

    I am not afraid of hatred.

    I am afraid that vaccine zealots will employ State violence to force people to become vaccinated who do not want to be.

  2. Arthur Treacher says:

    Thanks for allowing me to participate on this helpful website. With regards to my email, before there were EBay and similar on-line sales sites, I had a business going to estate sales, choosing, and reselling. It’s worked well for me and my family, as it allows me to work when I want to (and helpful to care for my kids), as well as stay off the grid as much as possible.

    My sons are home-schooled, since they would not fit into public schooling very well. We work around their social and intellectual deficiencies, with some success.

    Looking around my family history, I had a lot of relatives who many might consider “odd”, so perhaps fragile X, or some other genetic pattern is responsible. We have not had much success in the medical community, as no one seems to have answers. We went to a naturopath who was highly recommended, but she promoted expensive products, only available from her, that only succeeded in reducing our meager capital for the time we participated, but left us soured ofthe experience.

    Anyhow, i hope my frustration doesn’t overshadow my enthusiasm from gleaning useful information fromThinking Mothers.

    Thank you all for what you do.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      I meant the name you chose, the same name as an English character actor who opened a chain of fish ‘n chips shops.

      Don’t worry about frustration. We see a LOT of that. For children whose main issues do not seem to be toxicological, and may not even be connected to brain inflammation, the best approach may be to work on reflex integration. According to Svetlana Masgutova (whose work is, I’m sorry to say, also pricey), even children who fall at the “less severely affected” end of the spectrum will have a majority of reflexes that are dysfunctional, making many activities related to learning much more difficult than they need to be. Our reflexes’ first priority is protection of the organism. If they are delayed or cannot work properly, protection is compromised, and the individual must expend more energy for the same level of protection. Integrating those reflexes can often free up a lot of energy that would otherwise be tied up in “protection” for development and learning.

      • Arthur Treacher says:

        Actually, it IS my name, descended from English-Scotch ancestors who arrived on the continental US about 150 years ago.

        Could you give a bit more detail on reflex responses?


      • Arthur Treacher says:

        So, early reflexes not acquired in a timely fashion, or absent are a harbinger of spectrum disorders? That’s fascinating. So brain and/or spinal cord development are causative in spectrum disorder, and environmental or medical toxins are the”trigger” for this? I guess my kids must have some genetic issue, as we have shielded them from as much external exposure as possible.

        These courses are expensive. Has anyone had experience and seen positive results in pre-teens? I’m sure we could find the money if there were results.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        I know of some people who have had good results in seemingly similar situations. I will see if they can comment here.

      • Arthur Treacher says:

        I have to say i’m a bit disappointed. I had posted to this site, hoping to get some guidance from the experience and knowledge of dozens? hundreds? of parents with kids on the spectrum, but really haven’t gotten anything useful. We’ve spent quite a bit on remedies touted to help; they didn’t. Naturopaths, homeopaths, and chiropractors don’t seem to have solutions that worked, for us. We’ve been to counselors and therapists and seen some slow improvement. We have a healthy diet, live pretty much off the grid, avoiding electricity and municipal water.

        Anyone have something helpful?


      • Tara says:

        I don’t know for sure that it is the same case with you so it is only a suggestion. I once read a case where a women started having seizures, lost certain mobile skills and even talking skills after vaccinations. Most doctors couldn’t find the problem but finally, one holistic doctor tested for heavy metals in the body and put her on chelation. She regained all her former skills and didn’t have any more seizures after that. Hope this helps!

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        No need to reply to “Arthur Treacher,” Tara. He’s not real. He’s just a sock puppet of someone who likes to post in order to needle us.

  3. John Collins says:

    Father/Discerner – sorry you feel my mind is wasted defending the indefensible. I perhaps mistakenly believe that i’ve done some good in the world. I offer my knowledge to children if all faiths, or none, not just children of the Catholic belief (where there have been a few problems with Priests, or is that fake news, too?).

    • John Collins says:

      Wonder if this will influence anyone’s thinking

      A large study in the Annals of Internal Medicine adds to the evidence showing no association between measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccination and autism diagnosis.

      Researchers used Danish health registries to follow nearly 660,000 children born between 1999 and 2010. The autism diagnosis rate was roughly 130 per 100,000 person-years. After multivariable adjustment, MMR vaccination was not associated with increased risk for autism (hazard ratio, 0.93). This held true in all higher-risk subgroups, including children who had siblings with autism.

      The researchers also looked at autism risk during individual 1-year periods after MMR vaccination. No period was associated with increased risk.

      The researchers conclude, “The study strongly supports that MMR vaccination does not increase the risk for autism, does not trigger autism in susceptible children, and is not associated with clustering of autism cases after vaccination.”

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        I haven’t read the article yet, but just out of curiosity, does the use of “person-years” strike you as an appropriate unit to use? When it comes to an autism diagnosis, it doesn’t matter how many “person-years” one has the diagnosis, does it? Once one is diagnosed, one either has the diagnosis or not. The only reason “person-years” matters at all is because of the timing of diagnosis and/or timing of MMR. And aren’t there better ways to reveal whether or not there is a connection between the MMR and number of diagnoses? Wouldn’t the use of person-years skew the results?

      • Alison Fujito says:

        Sorry I’m nearly a year late in responding to this. Using “person-years” in this case seems to be a way to deliberately dilute the results. As an example, an autism prevalence rate of 1 in 36 10-year-old children would translate to 1 in 360 person-years.

        Perhaps we should all write to the researchers of the study and ask them to explain why they chose to use “person-years” as data in their study.

      • Tara says:

        Did they use VAERS reporting system to keep track of people after vaccinations? The problem with this system is that it is only voluntary reporting and many things have gone unreported. That is why so many people doubt the major studies..

  4. Roxanne says:

    Here’s an excerpt from Dr. Brian Hooker’s testimony before Washington State Legislators. For the full text go to childrenshealthdefense.org

    “There is a problem with measles in Washington State, but it’s not low vaccination rates, it’s actually high vaccination rates with a vaccine product unable to provide lifetime immunity or vigorous passive maternal protection to infants during the first year of life.

    When the measles vaccine was first introduced, most people over the age of 15 who had wild measles had lifetime immunity. In developed nations, like other communicable infections, measles was no longer dangerous except in rare circumstances because of inadequate nutrition, poor sanitation, and / or lack of healthcare. Because having the measles was a routine part of childhood, teens, adults, parents, and grandparents were immune. And because of maternal passive immunity, infants were protected. The death rate due to measles in Washington State in the four years prior to the introduction of the measles vaccine was 1.4 in 10,000 cases and approximately 2 in 1,000,000 in the general population.

    Legislators are being told that use of personal and religious belief exemptions are putting the public’s health in danger. They are told that two infants were recently exposed to measles and the babies are in danger. But in fact, if the mothers of the children had wild measles when they were children and they are nursing, the babies may be protected. If the mothers were vaccinated, even if they are nursing, they may not be. Additionally, maternal antibodies transported across the placenta can provide vital immunity against measles for infants…”

  5. Sigmund Freud says:

    Gina – glad your kids are so healthy, and glad you attribute this to the absence of vaccination. Many kids who are fully vaccinated are every bit as healthy as your kids. The plural of anecdote isn’t data.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Actually, each and every “anecdote” IS data, albeit unquantified data. No scientist worth their salt would ignore a large of number of shockingly similar anecdotes.

      • Sigmund Freud says:

        Actually, an anecdote is simply an anecdote. If an event (one time) is published in (what you believe to be corrupted) medical literature, as a case report, then it is subject to medical scrutiny, analysis, and, if possible, replication. There is no doubt that the medical literature has been adversely influenced by Big Pharma, and others, but it is what we have at this point. And, by the way, the “hero” of those on this site, Andrew Wakefield, was discredited because he lied, and falsified data, for his own profit, not because he is being attacked by the powers that be who are “afraid of what he says”.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Oh, good Lord. Yes, AN anecdote is simply an anecdote. YOU talked about “plural” anecdotes, and *I* mentioned the THOUSANDS of eerily similar anecdotes, which are indeed data to ANYONE with a scientifically oriented mind, data that SHOULD be quantified and yet isn’t.

        You don’t know the first thing about Wakefield. When you’ve read this entire article (http://ahrp.org/laffaire-wakefield-shades-of-dreyfus-bmjs-descent-into-tabloid-science/) AND read the underlying official documents from which it quotes extensively (including the infamous 1998 paper Wakefield wrote with a dozen well-respected colleagues and the record of the General Medical Council’s proceedings and the High Court’s overruling of all charges leveled against Wakefield’s colleague Dr. John Walker-Smith), THEN you can come back and talk about him. I’ll wait.

      • Sigmund Freud says:

        Read the article – when you start with a pre-determined premise, it’s easy to come up with the conclusion you want. To compare Wakefield to Dreyfus is an insult to history. You believe what you want to believe, and find claptrap that supports it. I would suggest you find your own society where you and your children can live, so you won’t be subject to the rules that the rest of society adopts to protect itself. Find a village with all the homeopaths, naturopaths, chiropractors, and other “alternative” providers to keep you healthier than the rest of us. Good luck.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Read which article? The one on Wakefield? I did. Have you? Given your comment, I suspect not. Therefore, I won’t be approving anymore of your comments. You might be surprised to hear that there are a lot of people who would LOVE to live in the village you describe and have very little doubt that the children raised there would indeed be “healthier than the rest.”

        I wish you luck as well. I suspect you will need it more than I.

    • Roxanne says:

      Hi Gina, I assume from your comment that you have children who are vaccinated and most certainly wish them long, healthy lives. I know you love your children and only want the best for them. However, the fact is inescapable that vaccines introduce carcinogens, neurotoxins, heavy/metals, MULTIPLE live viruses (including cancer causing retroviruses – see Dr. Judy Mikovitz PhD, whistle blower on youtube) etc. via frequent INJECTION — a most disturbing route bypassing the body’s critical mucosal membranes etc. and that every vaccination induces an inflammatory response. Please consider reading Dr. Richard Moscowitz MD ‘Vaccines Reappraised’ (hope I got the last name right!) We know that there are numerous studies linking vaccines to LONG-TERM problems such as cancer and ever soaring rates of Auto- Immune Diseases like Multiple Sclerosis, Lupus etc. that take years to show up. Bear in mind that vaccines are not tested for carcinogenicity nor auto-immune potential which takes years of diligent, transparent monitoring. Furthermore, A.S.I.A. as I’ve mentioned is becoming increasing recognized (Auto-Immune Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants) Studies have repeatedly shown that vaccine-free children have far fewer allergies, asthma etc. and certainly parents who’ve had both vaccinated and vaccine-free almost always notice the difference. Again, as an ex-vaxxer who sure wish that she’d woken up many years earlier to the flawed vaccine paradigm (learned the hard way!), I’m not judging your specific situation and wish you and your family the best.

    • Roxanne says:

      Oophs! Think my below comment should have gone to Sigmund!

    • redpill says:

      There are no studies that confirm that vaccinated children are healthy.
      American children are the sickest in all developed countries. The one thing that distinguishes them from children in other countries in the number of vaccines they receive.
      -American Children Compared to Rest of World: Among Sickest and Most Vaccinated-https://healthimpactnews.com/2017/american-children-compared-to-rest-of-world-among-sickest-and-most-vaccinated/
      Chart: http://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/02/vaccines-life-expectancy1.jpg

      The CDC has been asked by parents and medical people do a study comparing the health of vaccinated children to vaccinated children in the US.
      They have refused. One CDC official gave a reason:
      Why Won’t CDC Do the Study?

      -Among 20 wealthy nations, US child mortality ranks worst, study finds

      American children suffer from more chronic illness than children in other countries:
      -Why so many Americans are allergic to peanuts
      -New study suggests 21 percent increase in childhood peanut allergy since 2010-https://acaai.org/news/new-study-suggests-21-percent-increase-childhood-peanut-allergy-2010
      -Why peanut reactions have become ‘almost epidemic’ — and what to do about food allergies-https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/26/why-peanut-food-allergies-have-become-almost-epidemic.html
      -Childhood Asthma: A Growing American Epidemic
      There are an estimated 73000000 children in the US as of May 2018 and 6.1 million of them have asthma.
      -In 2018 the CDC determined that approximately 1 in 49 children is diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder (ASD) in 2018.
      -Neurological disorders in children have increase every year over the last decade.
      -More Kids Than Ever Have Type 2 Diabetes
      Doctors seek to establish a gold standard for their care

      My daughter is a teacher and in the school first aid kit are epi pens, asthma inhalers and some sort of drink for the kids that are diabetic. Children in America are not healthy.

      • redpill says:

        The CDC has been asked by parents and medical people do a study comparing the health of vaccinated children to vaccinated children in the US.
        Edit- Unvaccinated children to vaccinated children in the US.

  6. Roxanne says:

    Hi Crush,

    Blessings to you and your family. It’s so wrong that families who suffer a death or injury due to the vaccine holy cow, are persecuted yet again by those brainwashed by media fear mongering peddling the lie that the vaccine-free are a threat, when it’s the vaccines THEMSELVES that are a threat on multiple fronts: causing illness and death in children, shedding, mutating etc.

    Here’s one thing of many you can share with those in denial of how vaccines can shed and mutate. Go to You tube for the citations – small sampling only – under this title:
    ‘ You will never look at vaccinated children the same!- Shedding Viruses’

  7. B. Brave says:

    Why communicate that you’re “afraid” of the nasty, juvenile behavior of pro-vax trolls and their “hatred?” You’ll only embolden them. Though I do agree with some other things you fear.

    • Christine says:

      Because they ARE dangerous ! They are trying to mandate something that WILL 100% harm and KILL innocent children ! These same people are promoting MURDER !! yet they are the ones accusing the healthy minded peole of the same thing. When these shots become forced on all of us I hope they do start dropping like flies so they can go oh crap what the anti vaxxers have said is true,..oh but but but now its too late..whine cry… Yeah that’s rght,they are going to REGRET what they say and beleive right now, when they start seeing their own loved ones dying.

      • John Collins says:

        100% harm and kill? If one believes the 2.6% figure, that leaves 97.4% who aren’t harmed or killed. Even the most strident anti-vaxxers have to admit not every kid is harmed, or killed, and maybe a few don’t get a vaccine preventable disease.

        You only weaken your argument, which may be meritorious, by such extreme statements. Even Paul Offit, who many vilify as being in league with the Devil, says vaccines don’t completely protect everyone who is vaccinated, and may harm some who get vaccinated. I heard him speak these very concepts recently, for what it’s worth.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Just because 97.4% don’t exhibit immediate damage doesn’t mean that they “aren’t harmed.” The average smoker doesn’t develop cancer in the first year of smoking, but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t being harmed.

        While extreme arguments don’t tend to be all that helpful, it’s interesting that you bring up Paul Offit. Dear Paul tries hard to sound reasonable when he is challenged, but then he turns around and dismisses the damage vaccines do in his next breath–a lot like you. Oddly enough, people find his “reasonableness” unconvincing.

      • Arthur Treacher says:

        This is my first posting to this site, as a friend introduced me to it recently. I hope fathers are welcome to comment.

        I would appreciate some guidance from the obviously experienced commentators for my situation. My two surviving sons both have autism, and are 8 and 11 respectively. We never immunized them , eat organic, usually self-grown foods, drink our own well water, and never had dental fillings, or in fact cavities. We have not had any success following a variety of treatments and counseling, based on the recommendations of friends and counselors.

        Any help would be much appreciated.

        Thanks and spiritual thanks.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Interesting pseudonym you have chosen, sir.

        Fathers are, of course, very welcome to comment here. While we do hear of cases similar to what you describe, they tend to be rare. According to James Lyons-Weiler, who has done the most comprehensive analysis of the scientific literature on autism causation and compiled what he found in The Environmental and Genetic Causes of Autism, which I highly recommend, a small percentage of autism can be thought of as strictly “genetic” in origin, meaning it is likely that the child would have developed autism without any particular environmental exposures. Children with certain genetic conditions such as fragile X syndrome can fall into this category. You don’t give any indication as to the severity of the condition in either of your children. In my experience, children with what used to be diagnosed as Asperger syndrome tend to be in the more strictly genetic category, with uncles or grandparents they can point to who were considered odd or anti-social.

        Most others though, especially those who experience severe autistic regression, would not be autistic without their particular combination of genes interacting with specific environmental triggers. For many that would include the ingredients injected into them while in infancy, but there are many others that can affect the outcome, including as you have obviously surmised glyphosate and mercury from dental fillings. Other exposures that frequently play into medical histories of children with autism include antibiotics, at birth or to treat infant infections, especially ear infections; general anesthesia; Tylenol use in pregnancy and/or infancy; a high number of ultrasounds during pregnancy; some viral infections; and circumcision. Which particular genes the child has will determine which particular environmental triggers they will be vulnerable to. For instance, many but by no means all children with autism have particular difficulty with detoxification.

        There is a book out by Patricia Lemer called Outsmarting Autism that offers a step-by-step approach to helping your children with autism get as well as possible, which in turn usually lowers the brain inflammation associated with autism, making it easier for the child to function and learn. She has a new version of the book coming out next month that I highly recommend as well.

  8. Star Stevens says:

    Thank you, thank you ! It’s as though you penned my very own thoughts.
    Keep up the good fight & know, “the truth shall make you free.”
    -Fellow parent of a vaccine injured child.

  9. Bill says:

    TO: “Thinking Moms Revolution”,:
    I like what you have to say, and like how you say it. I linked here from a comment on “Age of Autism”. KEEP UP the GOOD WORK!

  10. John Collins says:

    Not to put too simple a spin on things, but if your child experiences something beyond a fever or rash within a few hours of a vaccination (or medication or treatment, or whatever), that is a different entity than something which develops days, weeks, months, or years later. Whether it’s causal or not is a different matter, but the biology suggests a different mechanism.

    I have asked the questions I do because I am interested in the science behind whatever is occurring; not to challenge, disbelieve, or otherwise diminish what people are saying. There are too many who will do that.

    As an example, I had a colleague who attributed his developing pancreatic cancer at age 45 to some exposure he had at age 10. Had it been thyroid cancer and radiation to the next, that would be biologically plausible, but he alleged he drank some “bad water”. Probably not related. Agent orange, sure, benzene and certain cancers, sure, Chernobyl and cancers, sure. Treatments with no symptoms for years, much less plausible biologically, but not impossible. What Andrew Wakefield did, for money, was not only unconscionable, but detracts from credible scientific investigation to any linkage between vaccination and any of a host of problems that may result.

    Finally, while any harm suffered is too much, from a societal perspective if one child in a million suffers from a consequence, and thousands more benefit is that a fair trade off?

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Oh, you have done it now… First of all, that “one in a million” “statistic” is utter bullshit. As the Harvard Pilgrim study showed, 2.6% exhibit vaccine reactions right away. Even one “sacrifice” is not acceptable when it is your child, but parents of the huge number of cases of “collateral damage” will be letting you know just how “fair” that “trade off” is.

      • John Collins says:

        It was a hypothetical; I understand that you are quoting the 2.6% figure. I’m not sure that it’s accurate, but going with it, where are the hundreds of thousands of children who would be affected if that number is right? If there are over 200 people on this and similar sites, I would imagine it’s a significant cohort of those affected, right?

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Where are the hundreds of thousands? In classrooms all over the country. Just ask any teacher what has happened to the classroom environment in the last few decades. Up to 54% of today’s children have chronic health conditions. Welcome to the wonderful health benefits of vaccinating the hell out of our newborns.

      • John Collins says:

        Okay, so now chronic health conditions (whatever that means) are all attributable to vaccinations? Really, for someone with your background in science, and who calls herself “Professor”, you don’t seem to understand epidemiology, causality, and related concepts. Sorry, it’s just junk science.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Did I say that, dude? Really, for someone with a master’s degree, you don’t seem to have the reading comprehension of my seventh grader.

      • Georgina Anderson says:

        Really! Decades ago we never had many children, if any with severe peanut allergies ,
        also did not have many overweight children , or immune compromised diseases( Crones …)
        We also were not over vaccinated like children today! Ever since they got that law passed that protects them(1986) they have been adding and adding to the infant schedule!! Why because their is no accountability for the drug companies!!! No need for them to even do proper safety studies!! Billion dollar industry at the expense of our children’s health!!

    • JW says:

      Wow! You have a lot of gall. You must be part of the fear mongering group that hasn’t done the research of this mom and author.

      • John Collins says:

        No, fortunately, I’ve had my gall bladder removed, so no more gall. Unfortunately, too many people on this site, and others like this, feel that anyone who disagrees must either be in the pay of Big Pharma (which I dislike more than you’ll ever know), trolls (I don’t live under a bridge), or somehow bought off. I am sure I have read more about the science involved in human anatomy, physiology, pharmacology, and pathology than you, and have formed my conclusions based on science, rather than on what is posted on the internet or blogs that are like circular firing squads.

  11. VaxTruth says:

    Um, simply reading ANY vaccine insert shows the risks, anything from swelling at the site of injection to death! That itself is proof of the potential danger. And there are countless accounts on YouTube of mothers who watched their precious children regress or die after vaccines. I BELIEVE THEM! And, of course, countless credentialed Drs, scientists and other experts who are also speaking truth about the dangers of vaccines (at risk of losing their reputations)! I hope the brainwashed public will wake up before it’s too late.

    • John Collins says:

      You do understand, I hope, that the inserts have to include actual, hypothetical and reported (but not necessarily substantiated) side effects. The number of credentialed doctors, scientists, and other experts aren’t countless. There are lots of brainwashed people, on both sides of the issue.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        A lot of people DON’T understand that unfortunately. However, a lot of people also don’t understand that a lot of that work is intended to be done post-licensure, and most reported adverse events are not appropriately studied, because if you don’t look for something (i.e. proof that a specific condition is related to a specific vaccine, or to the combinations in which they are actually administered), then you won’t find it, wink, wink.

      • Anon says:

        John Collins….no the inserts do not include hypothetical or unsubstantiated effects. No.

      • redpill says:

        Do you know that the original vaccine vial inserts for the DTP & measles vaccine included as an adverse affect-AUTISM. As the number of children suffering from Autism increased the pharma companies changed the inserts and tried to have them removed from the internet but people captured screen shots of them.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        That is not as damning as it sounds. Vaccine inserts have to include anything that has been reported in significant numbers, whether causality has been established or not. Post-licensing research is supposed to determine causality for “rare” events. However, in reality, real study on reported adverse events is increasingly rare. So causality has NOT been established, and isn’t likely to be because they are not doing studies that COULD potentially establish causality.

  12. Cliff Lind Hjulskov says:

    I’m Not Afraid of Measles; I’m Afraid of Hatred

    Hate rests on a foundation of ignorance. I’m not sure I can say anything that can bring the slightest sense of justice to those who have suffered this terrible fate, vaccine damage.

    “While other people are contemplating their futures, mine would be happy with a friend.”

    But your well-chosen words and righteous attempts to gain a little understanding of the oppressors in society in “I’m Not Afraid of Measles; I’m Afraid of Hatred” became the fuel of my comment and support.

    In my 30 years as deliberately rejecting vaccines, based on knowledge of biology and intuition, not religion.

    I have met countless people who defend vaccines with aggression, however, without the slightest real knowledge about vaccines and their contents. There is no doubt they believe in vaccines, but they have no scientific knowledge. I often hear this statement; The science you relate to is not the right one, they point out that when one is not critical of his sources, one cannot expect a scientific formation. I ask if they will explain to me why vaccine information is so misleading. If vaccines were necessary, safe and effective, it must be an easy task to prove scientifically. A vaccinated and unvaccinated group will always be able to prove or disprove this claim. Often, the vaccine defendant acknowledges that they were not aware that vaccines have no actual control groups and, of course, they accuse me of not speaking the truth. I have never questioned vaccines without being exposed to forms of threats and reluctance, and no understanding.

    “While other people are contemplating their futures, mine would be happy with a friend.”

    Hate—- hate is, as I said, founded in ignorance, belief in a cause without proper foundation is devastating. Just look at the history, people have been hanged, prison, and ridiculed for even minor deviations. We are all of the opinions that in today’s world view we are enlightened and well-informed, it shows the vaccine case, is not true. We can all have different views on vaccines, but truthfully science cannot lie, it’s a fact. Hate can never give meaningful science, and if we continue this hate-fear line, it will have fatal consequences for our society, similar to World War II, where many innocent people suffered a grim and cruel fate.

    My Facts; I grew up with a Narcissistic father and a mother who couldn’t say no. As a very young teenager, I discovered this terrible creature but didn’t know what it was. As a 16-year-old I was forced to move away from home, not to lose self-control and hurt my father. This ignorance was devastating to me, why was my father such and why couldn’t my mother say STOP?

    Narcissism in society is exactly a mirror of my father and mother; they cannot see they cause other harm and very few understand this problem openly and say STOP! It is all grounded in fear, and fear has the foundation of hatred. Hate rests on a foundation of ignorance and lack of love. Some years later I broke my contact with my father, not out of hatred but out of respect for myself. I knew that if I were to survive and develop into a whole loving person, I had to say STOP. I think it’s because of this upbringing, I have developed intuition and common sense, not even authorities could rock.

    “While other people are contemplating their futures, mine would be happy with a friend.”

    Let’s talk about equity, the fact that our systems are corrupt and do not work for people but one to give the industry full control. I am convinced that if we humans listened to the inner voice of “intuition,” the world would never have been in this disastrous situation. Of course, if you are the owner or director of an industry that makes these horrible attacks on nature, you have to create a reality that fits your morals. Most leaders also have children whom they presumably expect to take over the burden of what is left over of Mother Nature; I have to say I do not understand how they think?

    That we steal the future of children cannot be denied. The fact is that vaccines are the greatest ongoing scientific experiment in world history is obvious, that is, if you look at science.

    I suspect that a direct relationship between the majority of disorders we see in babies, children, and adults. Can be rated from mild as ear infections, allergies to fatal diseases as MS and cancer. It’s the source, and it drives the immune response and oxidative stress caused by interaction between medicine, vaccine, and toxins such as glyphosate, etc.

    Repeatedly during my attempt to understand and bring some sense in this comment, I hear this heartbreaking text; “While other people are contemplating their futures, mine would be happy with a friend.” and that brings pain and tears to me. How can we humans have developed a system that has such terrible consequences?

    I have enormous respect for people like you and the fact that you have fought without hatred. Shows your big heart and love that you have for life. Nothing can change your pain every day, thinking that many other families might also have to go through this destiny is not for me to bear. I especially hope your “battle” against Hate and your knowledge will be heard very soon by most.

    I am here 100% if you in any way lack support. Sending my loving vibrations and support to all of you vaccine injured families. Cliff

    “While other people are contemplating their futures, mine would be happy with a friend.”

    Heilpraktiker (Naturopath), Acupuncturist & Freethinker Cliff Lind Hjulskov. Feb. 2019

  13. Bailey says:

    Thank you for rejecting my reply back to your reply on my original comment. I am sorry to hear about your child. It is so sad that this happens. Your child and others alike, and children/adults with weakened immune issues that cannot recieve vaccinations will continue to be protected by herd immunity. As long as others continue to vaccinate and not fall for all of this false non credible information. We now live longer lives because of modern medicine rather than when hundreds were being taken by deadly measles.

    • Roxanne says:

      Those who are living into their 90’s and 100’s today were never subjected to mass childhood vaccination programs and many — such as families and many friends and contacts of mine — had one, two or even zero vaccines as children. Historical graphs show mortality from infectious diseases plummeted drastically BEFORE the advent of vaccines or antibiotics thanks to improvements in sanitation, clean water, nutrition, proper housing etc. If vaccines “rescued” us, where are all the outbreaks and dead bodies from Scarlet Fever which had a worse death rate than measles?.. NO vaccine program was ever implemented for Scarlet Fever.

      If you think today’s sickly children — more vaccinated than ever — with soaring allergies, asthma, anaphylaxis, seizures, SIDS, neurological and auto-immune conditions, cancer etc. are going to outlive the 90’s and 100’s of today, well I have some land I’d like to sell you… If you sincerely want to look at studies implicated in vaccine harm, then start with the book, ‘Miller’s Review of 400 Critical Studies’… There are thousands of studies implicating the above mentioned conditions with vaccines, but this is a good start. Furthermore, vaccine safety trials are a farce as they use NON-inert placebos, don’ t test for carcinogenicity or mutagenic potential, impacts on fertility (HUGH) as even STATED in the inserts. How is this industry produced tobacco science credible?

      Re. “deadly measles”, PLEASE! Prior to the vaccine’s introduction, the death rate had fallen to 1 per 500,000 in the general U.S. population. Millions of people got measles etc. developed LIFELONG immunity (not inferior temporal protection which SHIFTS childhood diseases to undesirable age ranges where reactions are more problematic) and benefited from reduced cancer rates etc. that result from the REAL strengthening of the full immune system that comes and is documented with NATURAL infection. If measles becomes a problem for babies today blame vaccines on that as mothers vaccinated against measles cannot confer the same immunological benefits as those who had the infection.

      I previously sent you assorted citations re. phony vaccine “herd immunity”, vaccines shedding and mutating a few of many… I also stated that citing the CDC with it’s known conflicts of interest including profiting from the very product it’s supposed to be regulating is like seeing the fox as credible in guarding the chicken house.

      • Sigmund Freud says:

        The reason people live into their 90’s or beyond is they’re not dying at a younger age. When people who are now 100, were young kids, there was the Spanish flu, which killed millions, and the leading causes of death were pneumonia, respiratory diseases, diarrheal diseases, and, yes, sanitation and nutrition have had major impacts on health, but the 30% childhood mortality of the 1900’s in the US,is a thing of the bitter past. Vaccinations play a role in this, even if some on this list equate vaccines with death. If one takes the 2.6% serious adverse reaction rate quoted by some, that suggests 97.4% don’t have a serious adverse reaction. Even the most strident anti-vaccine person should concede that some disease prevention is possible, right?

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Of course “some disease prevention is possible.” The question is what is the cost, both to the individual and to our society. Right now the costs are skyrocketing.

      • Roxanne says:

        This is for SIGMUND…
        Actually, both my parents (one passed at 96 and the other is still alive at 93) had only one vaccine in their lives and grew up in a Third World nation where infections are common place but their parents and grandparents etc. going back multiple generations ALL routinely lived into their 90’s and 100’s and had zero vaccines. Furthermore, in the broader community, region this was common because they had decent housing, clean water and nutritious food and so got infections but sailed through them developing lifelong immunity and strengthened immune systems. My point is no one is vaccine DEFICIENT. Given the right living conditions, human beings are meant to thrive and live long healthy lives.

  14. Nancy says:

    Thank you for this. It seems that once we learn to NOT discriminate against a certain group of people, we learn HOW TO discriminate against another certain group of people. It is this divisions that allows those in power to do whatever they want, because the population is infighting for no real reason, or a reason they simply have blind faith in. And then the cycle starts all over again.

    The amount of misinformation on safety and efficacy of vaccines is mountainous, a distraction from what Moms are seeing and experiencing, a distraction from the real science being done independently, a distraction from what is happening to our children, collectively, that are for all intents and purposes, the canaries in the coal mine, letting us know all is not well.

    My question has always been, when the truth is out there for all to see and there is no longer a place to hide, how will the people who have been pushing vaccines, advocating for their ‘safety and necessity’ , and actually doing the vaccinating come back from that? Sorry will never be enough. Public apology will never be enough. Where will they all go, how will they live their lives then knowing the life time damage they have cost?

    A mothers voice about her children is the strongest voice, and collectively it is growing and I am grateful for this.

    Thank you again for writing this <3

  15. Gina says:

    Thank you for sharing your story. I agree with your sentiments and the facts. I’m so sorry for the hardships you have been through because of it. Thank you for doing your due diligence and research on this subject. My children are 18 and 20 years old, never been vaccinated and are two of the healthiest people I know. We made this choice based upon the rounds being administered at the time and our research and knowledge on the matter. Did I mention my husband is a doctor? I’m sure you know that many individuals in health care don’t inoculate their children because of everything you wrote about in this piece. Again, kudos to you and thank you for your care and concern:)

    • Roxanne says:

      Hi Gina,
      By accident I named you instead of Sigmund on one of these exchanges but glad to hear of your vaccine-free children. I hear and see this all the time with very rare exception. Vaccine-free children are far healthier than their sickly vaccinated counterparts.

  16. Jane says:

    Thank you for this! <3


    As a medical provider I follow the history of trends in health associated with the American society. At 65 years old I have lived through just about the entire spectrum of vaccination programs as a public health concern in response to common illnesses like polio and measles and diphtheria as well as unusual illnesses such as tetanus and smallpox. Many years ago articles in Life Magazine considered the reliable source of general news could not say enough good about advances in technology like vaccines that would make our lives safer and longer through prevention. Illnesses such as tuberculosis that could not be treated with vaccines were being addressed in other ways at the same time resulting in a general overall improvement in healthcare and longevity for the average American. Over my lifetime I have seen the paralysis of polio and tetanus disable and claim people’s lives. Amazingly there is a growing trend of parents who object to having their children immunized for fear of the side effects associated with these preventative measures. What I don’t hear from these parents is the fear of their children contracting any of these illnesses. There is risk to not have the vaccinations and to have them. Many of these parents themselves came from the generation of nationwide school based immunizations as they choose to exempt their children from being immunized. I have no doubt that these parents love their children and want the best for them. There in lies a fundamental question whether the choice of the individual should override the choice of the group. We know for sure that if the non-immunized sector of American children continues to grow eventually the illnesses these vaccination programs prevented will return as a public health concern. This is already beginning to happen for not just diphtheria and measles but small pox as well. Over time a potential clash between the vaccinated and un-vaccinated portions of the culture could result in a new kind of segregation crossing all races. I have traveled widely across many places in the world and casually inquired the values of immunization programs to discover that no objection was made in underdeveloped countries. In fact they could not understand how Americans would object to these tools that were helping to prevent the illnesses and loss of life of their children. In underdeveloped countries the death of young children due to illnesses and injury is accepted as a way of life. What American family in a modern time even knows anything of this??

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Oh, dear. Yes, if people refuse to vaccinate in large numbers, there will be a rise in the prevalence of some “vaccine-preventable” illnesses. But you are COMPLETELY mistaken as to your “facts” about it “already beginning to happen” with respect to diphtheria and smallpox. Smallpox was declared eradicated in 1980, with the last case that was not vaccine-related appearing in 1977. The United States stopped vaccinating for it altogether in the 1970s. Similarly, there hasn’t been more than a handful of imported cases of diphtheria in the past decade. If people segregate themselves according to vaccine status on the basis of information like yours, they are simply indicating their ignorance.

      By the way, I am an American who had a child who died due to illness. I guess MY “American family in a modern time” knows more than most, thank you very much.

    • Lusia says:

      what happened to tuberculosis vaccine? if you are 65 y.o. you should have it ! In many countries it still in use and given to newborns and doctors and professors said it’s necessary to prevent illness . So what’s wrong “medical provider”? why it : “Illnesses such as tuberculosis that could not be treated with vaccines “?? what do we treat with vaccines actually? maybe you mean “try to prevent?” or you don’t see the difference between treating and preventing?

  18. Jennifer says:

    “bullshit fifthy cases of measles” those kids are also dealing with possible brain injuries and are hospitalized for not getting vaccinated. They are also putting those who can’t get vaccinated (newborns) at risk. Your daughter is one of the rare cases in a poptulation of “millions and millions” who are vaccinated that got injured from a vaccination. So don’t spread your hate calling these 50 measle cases bullshit because that’s also hate!

    • Crush says:

      You know when you write something there is always the opportunity for it to be lost in translation. Hence your fixation on the measles bullshit part. What you may have missed was my response where I made it very clear that there are risks both ways. And that nobody wants anyone to suffer, not from a disease nor from an adverse event from a vaccine. And I have written that thousands and thousands of times over the years. I understand that to some, measles can be very serious and cause damage, although the idea that these fifty cases are lying hospitalized with brain damage is quite the stretch. The “bullshit” part is the hysteria, in a population of millions and millions, not how anyone may suffer. I know it’s easier to be angry at me than to listen to what is actually being said, but that was the point. We can’t have real conversations let alone address real issues, when others can take a plea from the bottom of a parents heart to understand the pain we have endured and the hate that comes at us anyway and use that to spin it to where I am some hateful person who doesn’t care about what anyone else has gone through. It just isn’t the truth. It is the same nonsense vitirol that the media is feeding everyone right now. Don’t be naive enough to buy into the idea that we are on oppose sides, instead be smart enough to see that we aren’t one in a million and our kids matter too.

    • Roxanne says:

      For goodness sakes, Jennifer, how can you be so naive as to believe that vaccine injuries and deaths are one in millions! Do you just gobble up every thing the corrupt, vaccine profiting CDC, media etc. say? Look all around you… How many children (and adults) do you know with serious allergies, asthma, diabetes, learning and behavioral problems, auto-immune disorders, neurological disorders, cancer etc. There are THOUSANDS of studies linking vaccines to a slew of conditions including miscarriage and ‘Sudden Infant Death Syndrome’ and LONG-TERM DAMAGE. (Vaccines aren’t always the sole culprit and there can be other causes and contributors but there’s compelling evidence that the vaccine-free are much healthier.)

      PLEASE for the sake of those you love wake up! Do you have a daughter ? The HPV shot is a tobacco $cience fraud and hundreds of girls (and now being pushed on boys) have died, become disabled etc. as a result. Look at the VAERS (the voluntary, passive adverse event reporting system) stats below… and these are old ones, and do the math because vaccine injury and deaths are grossly UNDER-REPORTED. Some officials say that as few as 1-10% of actual vaccine casualties gets reported due in part to physician ignorance, fear and dogmatic claims that it was a “COINCIDENCE”… I personally know of many families who were stonewalled by the system which wouldn’t even investigate vaccine harm let alone confess to vaccine guilt in their child’s death or injury! I can assure you I do not know millions and millions of people!

      “…The system contains 244,424 total reports of possible reactions to vaccines, including 99,145 emergency rooms visits, 5,149 life-threatening reactions, 27,925 hospitalizations, 5,775 disabilities, and 5,309 DEATHS…” ‘United Press International Investigates the Vaccine Conflict’, 7/20/03 citing a database at the U.S. CDC tracking reports from doctors between 1991-2002.

      PLEASE, PLEASE look into these children’s eye’s many who died soon after vaccination — a drop in the bucket — and tell their parents that the vaccine holy cow was innocent and it was all a “coincidence.”

      Vaccine Choice Prayer Community (.org)
      We Remember

      Not a Coincidence – Gardasil

      Hear this well – Vaccines do cause Autism

    • Roxanne says:

      Vaccines are BACKFIRING, Jennifer:

      Actually, it’s not the vaccine-free who threaten babies, it’s the fact that mother’s who were vaccinated (inferior artificial, temporal “protection”) cannot as readily pass on protection to their babies as mothers who received NATURALLY derived immunity from wild measles.

      ‘Vaccinated women had significantly fewer IgG antibodies (geometric mean titre 779 (95% confidence interval 581 to 1045) mIU/ml) than did naturally immune women (2687 (2126 to 3373) mIU/ml) (P<0.001). Maternal values were highly correlated with neonatal values (r=0.93 at birth). Infants of vaccinated women had significantly lower antibody concentrations than did infants of NATURALLY immune women.'
      BMJ 2010;340:c1626, http://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c1626.full

      You also seem unaware that 1) the death rate from measles plummeted by something like 98% in the U.S. BEFORE the vaccine was introduced 2) that outbreaks of measles happen in populations with almost full measles vaccine compliance 3) that vaccines can SHED and SPREAD disease 4) in rare cases of severe complications, high dose vitamin A plays a significant role in recovery and that 5) GASP! Being expose to natural CHILDHOOD illnesses offers significant benefits against future serious health challenges like cancer. ( Once again, vaccines backfire, by shifting mostly benign childhood illnesses to more groups where there are more chances of complications like babies and adults)

      'The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of IMMUNIZED persons…"‘ Poland GA, Jacobson RM., Department of Internal Medicine, Mayo Vaccine Research Group, Mayo Clinic and Foundation, Rochester, MN./1994

      “Among school age children, measles outbreaks have occurred in schools with vaccine levels greater than 98%. These outbreaks have occurred in all parts of the country, including areas that have not reported measles for years.” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 2/19/89

      'Vaccination coverage for the total population was 99.0%. Incomplete vaccination coverage is NOT a valid explanation for the Quebec City measles outbreak.' ‘ Major measles epidemic in the region of Quebec (1989) despite a 99% vaccine coverage – Boulianne N1, De Serres G, Duval B, Joly JR, Meyer F, Déry P, Alary M, Le Hénaff D, Thériault N./PubMed 1991

      "The reported coverage of the measles–rubella (MR) or measles–mumps–rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high…" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930734/

      "Studies of measles outbreaks in Quebec, Canada, and China attest that outbreaks of measles still happen, even when vaccination compliance is in the highest bracket (95-97% or even 99%, see appendix for scientific studies, Items #6&7). This is because even in high vaccine responders, vaccine-induced antibodies wane over time. Vaccine immunity does not equal life-long immunity acquired after natural exposure."
      Dr. Tetyana Obukhanych PhD, 'Harvard Immunologist to Legislators: Unvaccinated Pose Zero Risk to Anyone'

      Vaccine-derived viral SHEDDING following any (live or attenuated) injection.

      ‘Overall, measles virus RNA was detected in 10 of 12 children during the 2-week sampling period. In some cases, measles virus RNA was detected as early as 1 day or as late as 14 days after vaccination.

      Measles virus RNA was also detected in the urine samples from all four of the young adults between 1 and 13 days after vaccination.‘ Detection of Measles Virus RNA in Urine Specimens from Vaccine Recipients, Journal of Clinical Microbiology, Sept. 1995

      The Measles, Mumps, Rubella Vaccine contains 3 live (attenuated or heat-treated/modified) viruses propagated (grown) in chick embryos. This process alone is cause for alarm, given the CDC’s own internal data, which states that ‘egg propagation of viruses can lead to genetic changes that might have antigenic implications (mutagenic synergistic changes which can alter the virus, rendering it more virulent).‘

      A few benefits of NATURAL contraction with childhood illnesses:

      Albonico et al found that adults are significantly protected against non-breast cancers — genital, prostate, gastrointestinal, skin, lung, ear-nose-throat, and others — if they contracted measles (odds ratio, OR = 0.45), rubella (OR = 0.38) or chickenpox (OR = 0.62) earlier in life. [Med Hypotheses 1998; 51(4): 315-20].

      Montella et al found that contracting measles in childhood reduces the risk of developing lymphatic cancer in adulthood [Leuk Res 2006; 30(8): 917-22].

      Alexander et al found that infection with measles during childhood is significantly protective — it cuts the risk in half — against developing Hodgkin’s disease (OR = 0.53) [Br J Cancer 2000; 82(5): 1117-21].

      Glaser et al also found that lymph cancer is significantly more likely in adults who were not infected with measles, mumps or rubella in childhood [In J Cancer 2005; 115(4): 599-605].

      Gilham et al found that infants with the least exposure to common infections have the greatest risk of developing childhood leukemia [BMJ 2005; 330: 1294].

      Urayama et al also found that early exposure to infections is protective against leukemia [Int J Cancer 2011; 128(7): 1632

  19. Sheila says:

    I’m so sorry for all you and your family are going through. I had a some pass from SIDS in 1988 that I believe was attributed to his 2 month vaccines. Unfortunately I wasn’t aware of that particular side effect at the time. Currently I’m against vaccines and I believe parents should have the choice to vaccine or not. Amish don’t vaccinate, I’ve had the measles & chicken pox, and I believe the real herd community of natural immunity is dying. Imagine that only the people who’ve gotten the disease can work around those with the illness with no fear. Since vaccines don’t give anyone a guarantee…may God Bless you and your family, as well as others who are facing the same outcome or similar…

    • John Collins says:

      Most Amish vaccinate their children. Autism is partly defined culturally.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        They do? Then why was the largest outbreak of measles in the past two decades in an Amish community? The truth is that the Amish are not monolithic in this regard, and how much they vaccinate depends on the community you are talking about. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1602295

        In Lancaster, Pennsylvania, most Amish don’t vaccinate at all, much less for everything on the ridiculous CDC schedule.

      • John Collins says:

        The Amish in Lancaster vaccinate about 70% of their children, less than the surrounding community, but not an insignificant number. There is a clinic for special children (because of the high incidence of rare genetic diseases due to smaller gene pools), so the Amish (not necessarily the “Old Order”) are more aware of the medical issues than many others. They initially struggled in the 40’s over immunization, because that was considered too intrusive of the “English” society into theirs.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Where did you get that 70%? I have never seen anything that implies that high a vaccination rate for ANY vaccine, much less all of them.

      • John Collins says:

        Verywellhealth.com said 70%. It came up when I googled Amish and vaccination, also suggests that autism in the Amish exists.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Sure it exists. Fragile X exists in the Amish, and a huge percentage of children with Fragile X also have autism. However, the number of autistic children among the Amish is quite a bit lower than the general population.

        Interesting article on verywellhealth (a site I had never even heard of before). Presumably a “community liaison” would have a pretty good idea as to who is vaccinating or not, but as she is the “community liaison” for a clinic for special needs kids (that has a weekly vaccination clinic), I wouldn’t be so sure. And note that there is ZERO discussion of which vaccines that “70%” is actually receiving. I guarantee you that they aren’t vaccinating more than the general population was in the mid-1980s, in other words, not even close to what the general population is receiving at this point in time.

      • John Collins says:

        Okay, maybe the CDC is ridiculous, but if you were in charge, what vaccinations, if any, would you include, exclude, or make optional. You are deciding for a society at large, not just a population of mothers on your website. Would your people be willing to assume the consequences if their kid(s) got ill from a vaccine preventable disease, and, further, if someone else got sick from such an ill child, assume the liability?

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        You’ve asked this question before and I’ve answered it before. *I* would NOT “decide for a society at large.” There is NO medical treatment, especially one with such grave risks that is administered to HEALTHY children, that I would have mandated for ANYONE, let alone infants. If it were up to me, everyone would receive accurate information on the relative risks of disease and the treatments intended to prevent them.

        Are YOUR people willing to assume the monumental consequences of forcing “preventive” measures down the throats of people unlikely to ever encounter the threats they are intended to “protect” from? Obviously, given this website and so many others, the answer is a BIG FAT NO.

  20. Anon says:

    I have seen, myself, adverse reactions to many types of vaccines (and other meds) in my own and other children. Adverse reactions that started soon after, and often continued. Side effects which started soon after and often continued or worsened. I have seen / heard (both myself and close contacts/friends) parents observations/concerns totally dismissed. And, if they would continue “mentioning” said observations/concerns, threats of referrals to Child Welfare Investigations/Black listing on medical records and more. It often seems so widespread one has to wonder, why? All I can think of is money. I do not believe in this day and age that we could not research/create/dispense vaccines and meds which do not harm. I do not believe that parents observations and concerns should ever be minimalized (or worse).

    To folks who commented with such “authority”/”insistence”/”attitude” that basically we are wrong/we are imagining this/etc….All I can say is you are most fortunate to not have experienced / had to cope with side effects/results which many here have.—–To these folks who insist that “science says” it is all good/safe….have you never noticed that over a span of yrs “science” quite regularly changes it ideas/recommendations on things which are safe? One year caffeinated coffee is evil (according to scientific research), then (now) it is suggested to have health benefits. Smoking has a great deal of news on how evil it is (no I am NOT a smoker or recommending it)…cancer etc..Now if you google smoking/nicotine and Parkinson’s or Alzheimers, you might find genuine research which suggests that smokers seldom get Parkinson’s or Alzheimer’s…..Am I suggesting that all take up smoking ? Certainly not…But, if I were to be diagnosed with these, I surely might give it a try.—–

    —-I have known so many folks who “if Doctor said”, could not conceive it might be incorrect/wrong/misleading. But it can be. How well informed/open to learning new info are they? Sometimes not so much.

    — Blessings to all who are struggling with vaccine or other adverse effects. I am not religious, but I have heard it said that even the most ardent disbeliever will call out to God for help/save them if they fall off a cliff. That and “God helps those who help themselves”. I have fallen off a few cliffs through this all, and frankly grateful to ask for/accept help from God or anyone else. Also have worked hard myself. Years back someone said to me, in disbelief and some disgust…”you would ask anyone for help/email anyone/contact anyone”, wouldn’t you. —I just replied “YES”. But inside I was screaming—-“you wouldn’t?”

    Take care all, and God Bless us all. and maybe, just a little, put a little bit of willingness to consider our research/our observations/out concerns into the minds of the “critics” and those in authority and power.

  21. John Collins says:

    The allegations that Bill Gates, one of the strongest proponents of vaccination, didn’t immunize his kids is false.

  22. John Collins says:

    Professor – perhaps some moderation might be appropriate. I don’t want to be one of the few who challenges when someone says her child developed a serious infection after an immunization or vaccination – there is no way that the vaccination causes a bacterial infection; or her child developed problems from mercury in a filling – this has been disproven for years (there is a big difference between ethyl and methyl mercury, for example), or makes a statement that vaccinations are poison, or worthless, or kill a large number of people who receive them. This is the type of irrational thinking that has created a systemic distrust of our political system, rule of laws, and checks and balances.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      I do quite a bit of moderating, John. But it’s my judgment, not yours, that prevails on this site.

      And, yes, vaccinations can cause bacterial infection. Contamination is a real thing. And, yes, mercury in fillings can cause medical problems as well. Some people are genetically far more susceptible to mercury poisoning than others are. It is not irrational thinking just because you don’t know about it.

      • John Collins says:

        I’m sorry professor, you are flat out wrong. Bacterial infections are caused by bacteria. Vaccinations may influence someone’s immune response, making them more susceptible to an infection from the bacteria which surround us all the time, not just in hospitals. You might read “I contain multitudes” which is a remarkable book about the microbiome.

        And regarding mercury, please read something scientific, rather than the rantings of deranged people who have no training, in science, epidemiology, or biology.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Dude, it took a few seconds to come up with an example of vaccine contamination responsible for bacterial infections. Why don’t you do something else with your time for a while?


      • John Collins says:

        So, it’s the contamination, not the vaccination. Contact with someone infected can also cause bacterial or viral infection, to be precise.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        To the person injured by a vaccine, it doesn’t matter whether the ingredients that caused the problem were intended to be there or not. The person was harmed by the vaccination.

      • John Collins says:

        The person ALLEGES harm from the vaccination. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy, as I am sure you know.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Of course, it is, but I didn’t say the person who ALLEGES injury from a vaccine; I said “the person injured by a vaccine.” Your assumption is that the injury is merely presumed due to a temporal association, which, frankly, is a rather ridiculous assumption given that we are talking about damage that can take years to exhibit. As with smoking and lung cancer, it took time for the condition to develop and even more time to discover the connection. More often than not, a victim DOESN’T associate their condition with the vaccines they received.

        Whether you realize it or not, there are many ways to test the hypothesis and many injuries which are KNOWN sequelae of vaccination for at least some segment of the population, not all of which are immediately obvious (anaphylactic).

      • John Collins says:

        The shorter the temporal interval, the more likely to assume a relationship.

        Here’s a thought – assume that in a time interval 1 billion vaccinations are administered, and, further assume that in that time interval 40 vaccinations per child are administered (assumed for ease of calculation), or 25 million individual unique children are in the population. You, or others, have posited a 2.6% rate of serious vaccine reaction (more than transient rash, temporary fever, or brief irritability). So 600,000+ children would be affected. A huge number of kids, but nothing in the press of this magnitude (all suppressed?). Assuming that there are 30,000 emergency physicians (at least those certified in Emergency Medicine), each might have seen 20 so-injured kids. Do you really think every one of these was missed? Even a blind squirrel finds some acorns.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        No, not “every one was missed.” Studies, including the Harvard Pilgrim study quoted, have indicated that approximately 1% of vaccine reactions are reported.

      • John Collins says:

        Maybe 1% of vaccine reactions are reported, but I bet the number of “serious reactions”, however you define them, is greater than 1%.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Meaning that you think the percentage of serious reactions that are reported is greater than 1%? I would hope so. I have heard that immediate life-threatening reactions are reported at a higher rate, but that isn’t exactly reassuring to me.

      • Anon says:

        also, I would think the trouble/injury/damage could/would be compounded due to build up and accumulative impact from previous vaccines/pharmaceuticals/chemical additives/etc..?

  23. Bailey says:

    What is the point of this post? Autism linked to vaccines? Really because that was all false, and revoked. What certificates have you obtained and from what universities? What online classes/ webinars have you been through that make you anymore knowledgeable than just another mom with an opinion? You said over the last 15 years you have read books and earned certificates and attended all of these classes and even taught classes, but failed to even mention a single name to make yourself sound the least bit creditable. Any anti vaccination people on this post are full of ignorance because once again instead of researching from real resources they believe opinions! Everyone is entitled to have an opinion but it is just that, an opinion not a fact. I was unsure if measles were ever eradicated, and the disease was not. However it was eliminated meaning “absence of continuous disease transmission for greater than 12 months”. Meaning measles was once under control and we are now seeing more and more out breaks with this ridiculous “anti vax movement”. How selfish can you be to say you are not afraid of measles but afraid of hatred. You would rather stand behind something so ignorant than protect your child, pure selfishness. I agree rarely but it can happen that vaccines can cause other issues, but it is still keeping your child alive and protected from a deadly disease.


    • ProfessorTMR says:

      What is the point of this post? Yes, it’s clear it went RIGHT over your head.

      The point is that there are kids out there for whom vaccination is very dangerous indeed. This is not in dispute by ANYONE. It is WHY we have a Vaccine Injury Compensation Program that has compensated more than 1300 serious brain injuries (approximately 40% of which have autism, by the way). Did THIS particular child develop autism when she nearly died from a vaccine reaction? You betcha. And frankly, if you’re not going to read beyond the pablum produced by the mainstream media, YOUR opinion is of utterly no value here.

      “But that’s impossible!” you say. “It was all false, and revoked.” Sorry, but no. There is overwhelming scientific evidence indicating that the repeated immune activation of frequent vaccinations during the period when the brain is developing rapidly is a leading cause of regressive autism.

      By the way, measles has been declared “eliminated” in the entire Western hemisphere. That has not changed. We have never had a single year without measles cases in the United States, nor will we ever. Measles is too contagious, and the vaccine isn’t good enough at preventing infection. Vaccine-induced immunity wears off at an unknown rate, which means that currently we have a large contingent of previously vaccinated adults who are susceptible to measles infection. That’s why the majority of people who got measles at Disneyland (a children’s theme park in the supposed “anti-vax” heart of the country) were ADULTS and a majority were either previously vaccinated or their status was “unknown.”

      The parents of children for whom vaccination is obviously dangerous report bullying by friends and medical professionals to vaccinate their children anyway. Your comment is a perfect example of such bullying. How DARE you talk of “ignorance” and “selfishness” when you have clearly IGNORED THE FACT THAT ANOTHER VACCINE REACTION COULD KILL THIS CHILD?!!! HOW SELFISH CAN YOU BE TO IMPLY THAT ADMINISTERING A DANGEROUS DRUG TO THIS CHILD WOULD BE “PROTECTING HER”??? I avoid codeine because my reaction is so severe another dose could kill me, but fortunately no one is stupid enough to bully me into taking it anyway. It is, frankly, INSANE to argue that this child should.

      Thank you for so clearly illustrating why this post was needed.

      • Jennifer Power says:

        Boom. One (more) to the Prof.

        Wouldn’t it be great if Bailey or John or Siggy began to realise a niggling of doubt and chose to do some research? They do seem to have an awful lot of time on their hands…

      • Bailey says:

        Resources for all of your “overwhelming science evidence”? All of the anti vaxxers keep putting out all of these percentages and saying there is so much evidence, but I’m not seeing how or where they are getting all of this evidence from… Until I see credible resources I will not take into consideration any of the percentages or the overwhelming science evidence. I do understand their are children that have immune issues that cannot receive vaccinations, I realize that but I also realize this post in general was a “warning” to other parents to not vaccinate their children. This child can still be protected from deadly diseases, if others who can be vaccinated do so. This is what we call herd immunity.

      • Melissa diotte says:

        👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Well stated.

      • Chris says:

        Thank you for the response to that bully, bailey! 👍

      • Tony says:

        I hope that person was a Pharma Troll and that no one could otherwise be that disrespectful about your experience nor that utterly devoid of factual information. Thank you for sharing and for the work you are doing. We need more people like you, more than ever these days.

      • June Gardner says:

        Thank you for your comment Professor TMR. Dr Mendelsohn warned us 40 years ago how dangerous vaccines and modern medicine is to our health and well-being. Tragically I was a victim of unnecessary iatrogenic abuse before I too learnt the truth how dangerous modern medicine is. In the aftermath of deliberate medical harm, I researched dozens of books on dangerous medicine and iatrogenic harm and am still shocked today that I didn’t know books like: Confessions of a Medical Heretic and other books written by doctors who warn us that modern medicine does more harm than good in most cases…

      • Angel says:

        Brilliant post. The ignorant people would read it a thousand times and still won’t understand what you wrote because their hatred clouds rational thought.

      • Raya says:

        Bravo. I loved this article and my heart is with you.a big problem is paternalistic doctors and the fact that we can’t trust who we should, so we need to educate ourselves. Crush really did. Thank you for all you do. Holly’s law basically states with sufficient titers, a second MMR isn’t required or necessary. Our pediatrician illegally didnt give it to us. If I knew, I wouldn’t have given the shot. we the people need to give the consent of the governed to those who respect and protect our individual liberty and informed consent.

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      • Bradford Wiles says:

        Dear ProfessorTMR,

        There is so much wrong with both your response, and the original post. First, the word is “eradicated “, and yes, measles was eradicated in the US in the year 2000. Second, one does not develop autism from a vaccine reaction. One could have TBI or other permanent injuries, but those would NEVER be called autism by anyone in any legitimate care setting.

        The original article would actually be laughable if it were not so self-righteously wrong. A few clues: 1) People who attend higher education earn degrees WITH certificates. For example, I earned a Ph.D. in Human Development, with an emphasis in Child and Adolescent Development, and a Graduate Certificate in Gerontology (accredited by the Association for Gerontology in Higher Education) from Virginia Tech. Not naming the institutions is highly suspect. Further, as an actual professor, your handle is laughable 2) People who are injured by vaccines are eligible for compensation. This mother apparently does not understand this. 3) The point appears to be that the author would rather return to the 400-500 people who died per year before the measles vaccine became available because of hatred. 4) IF the child was legitimately at risk of further injury, a medical professional would provide documentation and authorize an exemption 5) Please do not make up studies that link autism to vaccines. They do not exist in any legitimate forum, the media is not beholden to pharma, and your attempts to link them are shameful.

        Finally, peanuts are legumes, feed anyone with that allergy all the nuts you want!

    • Crush says:

      Selfish? So am I selfish because I vaccinated or because I won’t put my child through it a second time? Give me a break. Selfish is asking those who have already been the sacrifice, to keep doing so because you believe somehow your risk of measles is more important than my child’s life. Not got happen. And I don’t need to respond to the nonsense about how you know everyone who doesn’t agree with you is ignorant or just a mom with an opinion or my credentials or any of that silliness, because it’s just more of the hatred, which was the point. If you haven’t yet figured out why this resonates with so many people, and why it is important to acknowledge our kids, or why I wrote it, then nothing I say will matter to you. As I said, I dont know why some people just dont get it. I wish I did. I would love to have real conversations, but if you haven’t been able to move on past “anti-vaxxers”, then there isn’t much hope. As to why I didn’t post my resume, it’s because this was originally written as a personal post where most of my friends already know all I have done/do and again it wasn’t to prove anything other than to share a view that doesn’t get acknowledged in this discussion. I appreciate your reading it, even if you and I are miles apart.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        What Crush says is true. I saw her post, because she happens to be a friend of mine, and asked her if I could post it here because she said it so well.

      • Bailey says:

        I’m sorry your daughter was affected. Again it happens anything has side affects or adverse reactions. As she could have with natural treatments or foods she consumes. I think my first post was misinterpreted. What I was truly trying to get across is that yes she has been affected and it is clear there is no reason you should risk hurting her more by giving her more vaccines. I was trying to say that others still need to vaccinate to provide herd immunity to those like your daughter that cannot take the vaccines. I am a firm believer through science that vaccines work, but like anything else can have adverse reactions. All should vaccinate unless family history suggest other wise or they have had previous life complicating reactions to vaccinations. Thank you for your post because I do know there is compensation for these things because it does happen and the word should be shared. Science does show that success is higher than failure with vaccines. Honestly what struck me dumbfounded was the title of this story. You are scared of hatred more than measles? You can ignore hatred. You cannot ignore measles.

      • Bailey says:

        This was in reply to Crush

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        “Others still need to vaccinate in order to provide herd immunity”? But WHO DECIDES who those “others” are? Few people whose immune systems have been wrecked by vaccines qualify for medical exemptions according to the CDC criteria. Does that mean that their parents should allow their children to take what to them is a KNOWN risk “in order to provide herd immunity” for others?

        Aside from which, the majority of vaccines do NOT “provide herd immunity.” Tetanus, for instance, is not contagious at all. The acellular pertussis vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission of pertussis, but simply lowers symptoms to the point where people don’t KNOW they are infectious. The inactivated polio vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission of the poliovirus either, and the oral vaccine actually sheds virus, which has been known to cause outbreaks. Hepatitis A is usually food-borne and is not contagious from person to person. Hepatitis B and HPV are usually transmitted in a sexual setting (or needle sharing for hep B). Invasive meningococcal disease is from bacteria to which many people show immunity before adulthood, and a whopping 98% of cases are “sporadic” and not due to “outbreaks” according to the CDC Pinkbook.

        So what’s left for “herd immunity”? Measles, mumps, rubella, and chickenpox.

        Chickenpox is a mild illness that is so rarely dangerous that the U.K. doesn’t even vaccinate for it, fearing higher rates of shingles (reactivation of the varicella virus), which is potentially more dangerous. Reducing infection rates may actually be a net negative, because it reduces the amount of immune boosting and more people are experiencing reactivation of the virus. By the way, the vaccine is live, which means it sheds and can cause illness in those around the vaccinee (especially those immunocompromised we’re supposed to be protecting) and it does not prevent shingles.

        Measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine-induced immunity wanes. There are now countless adults walking around who are not immune, and we don’t know who they are. They will be a steadily growing percentage of the population, eventually ending up in large outbreaks comparable to the outbreaks experienced prior to the development of the vaccines. Mumps vaccine, in particular, is not very effective (two of Merck’s own virologists are suing Merck for making them falsify efficacy data), and wanes quickly, which is why fully vaccinated populations such as NHL teams, a submarine of navy personnel, and college campuses are sites of large outbreaks already.

        Yes, she is scared of hatred more than measles, and so should you be. Were the Jews able to “ignore hatred” during World War II? (I’m sure you realize that there are countless other examples where hatred got innocent people killed.) I think they would have chosen measles over hatred any day of any year.

    • Kris says:

      How arrogant and disgusting to dare to comment as you did. Who are you to think this is even remotely appropriate? Have you no shame?

      Fools rush in….


    • W. Blake says:

      Thanks for this response, Baily. It’s vital to not let this sort of anti-science nonsense to go unchallenged.

      The anti-vax movement can only exist because vaccines have worked so well that we have had the privilege of growing up during a time when many diseases have become uncommon or even eliminated by vaccines.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Oh? I guess your comment means that you are unaware that there were organized groups opposed to smallpox vaccination as far back as the mid-1800s.

        The VACCINE CHOICE movement is growing because our current vaccine program has far exceeded any reasonable bounds and is causing more and longer-term illness than it prevents.

    • Clépétar says:

      You left a link leading to the CDC and it’s one of the issue: is the CDC reliable?
      Do you really believe corruption does not exist at all at the CDC?
      You probably heard of William Thompson, a head scientist at the CDC who admitted he and his co-researchers falsified data regarding… a link between vaccines and autism. The real data show the younger a child get the MMR shot, the more chances they have to develop symptoms leading to an autism diagnosis. Those data were suggesting also that if the shot is given after tree years old, there is less risk of developing symptoms leading to an autism diagnosis. The data show that those symptoms are more likely to affect boys and especially african-american boys. William Thompson is still working at the CDC and is under whistleblower protection. We want Thompson to speak in front of the congress but the CDC refuses to let him speak and even do interviews…

    • Who are you Bailey? Have you ever heard of the Vaccine Injury Claims Court? They have given over FOUR BILLION dollars in claims for vaccine injury and death. You seriously need to educate yourself!!! How about the Vaccine white paper? Icandecide.com

    • Robin Fager says:

      Look at sitcoms of the fifties and sixties when measles was regarded as kid stuff -NO ONE WAS AFRAID OF THE MEASLES. Forget autism and look at the charts on childhood cancers. As the number of vaccines has increased, the increase in cancers has increased I the same linear fashion. look at other immune mediated disorders : arthritis, asthma etc. Also through the roof compared to the rates when kids (like me) dot 8 vaccines before the age of 18. Kids now get 69. Look pat the CDC (whose employees can own Pharma stock)
      and look at the facts. Measles deaths in the US were practically unheard of BEFORE the vaccine.

      • Roxanne says:

        Exactly!.. I sent John a slew of information pertaining to vaccines and cancer, not that it will make a dent with Mr. Vaccine Dogmatist

    • Melissa diotte says:

      Opinions don’t kill people. Vaccines do.

      • John Collins says:

        Melissa – and vaccine-preventable diseases kill people, too

      • Roxanne says:

        Right… like Scarlet Fever for which mortality rates plummeted before vaccines or antibiotics… How did we ever manage to escape all the dead bodies WITHOUT a vaccine program for the dreaded Scarlet Fever. What about the feared cholera (yes, there is a travel vaccine for ) but there was never a mass cholera vaccination campaign in North America and it used to kill many thousands. Quit the disease mongering. Human beings are not vaccine DEFICIENT they come with a built in immune system that is vastly more complex and sophisticated than the vaccine dinosaur antiquated paradigm which THWARTS REAL IMMUNITY… In concert with healthy food grown on mineral rich soil, clean water, adequate sunshine, sleep etc. REAL immunity flourishes.

    • Chris Kirk says:

      I have 8 children and I have seen damage caused by vaccines, I am pro choice. If you vaccinate please stay away from us for at least 3 weeks. I had a 10 month old baby contract measles and was only around a few limited people – two being children who were recently vaccinated for measles. My baby recovered well with no one practicing medicine. Vaccines have been known to spread the disease it was created with. Yes ,there is much proof vaccines cause #AUTISM. Common sense knows to NOT interfere with a newly developing child and injecting chemicals, DNA, animal cells, and several viruses into the bloodstream of such will cause an effect. The effect is #SIDS, autism, immune compromised, asthma, and more. All one has to do is look at the vaccinated verses the unvaccinated. Preschools are full of autistic , all who are fully vaccinated. My unvaccinated ia healthier than the ones who receive vaccines. I also see a higher rate of drug abuse in the vaccinated. #CDC, #WHO, #NIH

    • Chris Kirk says:

      I had measles

      • John Collins says:

        Roxanne – Scarlet fever is a result of a bacterial infection, Streptococcus, which also is associated with rheumatic fever. Virtually all immunizations to date are to reduce the likelihood, or severity, of viral infections, the exception of some forms of meningitis and pneumonia, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, cholera, typhoid, and a few others. There are not many effective antiviral medications, which is why vaccinations were developed. Antibiotics are effective against a variety of bacterial and other non-viral diseases, but few antivirals are avail.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        “Virtually all” with “the exception of some forms of meningitis and pneumonia, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, cholera, typhoid, and a few others”? You realize that’s a contradiction, right? That’s a pretty good percentage of available vaccines.

        In fact, of the 11 diseases for which vaccines are recommended in childhood, 5 are bacterial in origin, and there are three different vaccines for meningitis.

    • June Gardner says:

      The medical establishment, Big Pharma, The FDA and everyone involved in allopathic medicine who say it is safe are pathological liars, totally misled and misinformed or the truth, and much of what they are taught is not only wrong but harmful to anyone who goes to a doctor who practices modern medicine…

      • John Collins says:

        But osteopathic Medicine is okay, right?

        Would you go to a chiropractor, naturopath, homeopath, other “alternative” provider with a serious illness? Would they? Ask.

        Some people believe the Earth is flat, or the moon landing was a hoax, or Elvis isn’t dead. You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own alternative facts.

      • Roxanne says:

        Interesting you should ask if one would go to an ND, chiropractor etc. for a serious illness… SURE! Can’t tell you how many people I know of who were told to go home and die with only 2 weeks to 2 months to live after the allopathic medicine practically killed them with chemo, to amazingly turn things around with intense natural interventions and go on to continue their lives.

    • Roxanne says:

      Post meant for Baily:

      ‘The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of IMMUNIZED persons…”‘ Poland GA, Jacobson RM., Department of Internal Medicine, Mayo Vaccine Research Group, Mayo Clinic and Foundation, Rochester, MN./1994

      “Among school age children, measles outbreaks have occurred in schools with vaccine levels greater than 98%. These outbreaks have occurred in all parts of the country, including areas that have not reported measles for years.” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 2/19/89

      ‘Vaccination coverage for the total population was 99.0%. Incomplete vaccination coverage is NOT a valid explanation for the Quebec City measles outbreak.’ ‘ Major measles epidemic in the region of Quebec (1989) despite a 99% vaccine coverage – Boulianne N1, De Serres G, Duval B, Joly JR, Meyer F, Déry P, Alary M, Le Hénaff D, Thériault N./PubMed 1991

      “The reported coverage of the measles–rubella (MR) or measles–mumps–rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high…” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930734/

      ‘The largest measles epidemic in North America in the last decade occurred in 2011 in Quebec, Canada where rates of 1 and 2 dose vaccine coverage were 95-97% and 90% respectively…’ ‘Largest measles epidemic in North America in a decade–Quebec, Canada, 2011: contribution of susceptibility, serendipity, and superspreading events’: Journal of Infectious Diseases 2013, March 15;207(6);990

      Vaccine-derived viral SHEDDING (spreading) following any (live or attenuated) injection.
      ‘Overall, measles virus RNA was detected in 10 of 12 children during the 2-week sampling period. In some cases, measles virus RNA was detected as early as 1 day or as late as 14 days after vaccination.

      ‘Measles virus RNA was also detected in the urine samples from all four of the young adults between 1 and 13 days after vaccination.‘ Detection of Measles Virus RNA in Urine Specimens from Vaccine Recipients, Journal of Clinical Microbiology, Sept. 1995

      Official Package Insert: ‘M-M-R II is a sterile lyophilized preparation of (1) ATTENUVAX* (Measles Virus Vaccine Live), a more attenuated line of measles virus, derived from Enders’ attenuated Edmonston strain and propagated in chick embryo cell culture; (2) MUMPSVAX* (Mumps Virus Vaccine Live), the Jeryl Lynn** (B level) strain of mumps virus propagated in chick embryo cell culture; and (3) MERUVAX* II (Rubella Virus Vaccine Live), the Wistar RA 27/3 strain of live attenuated rubella virus propagated in WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts (ABORTED FETAL TISSUE).’

      ‘The Measles, Mumps, Rubella Vaccine contains 3 live (attenuated or heat-treated/modified) viruses propagated (grown) in chick embryos. This process alone is cause for alarm, given the CDC’s own internal data, which states that ‘egg propagation of viruses can lead to genetic changes that might have antigenic implications (mutagenic synergistic changes which can alter the virus, rendering it more virulent).‘

      ‘Vaccinated women had significantly fewer IgG antibodies (geometric mean titre 779 (95% confidence interval 581 to 1045) mIU/ml) than did naturally immune women (2687 (2126 to 3373) mIU/ml) (P<0.001). Maternal values were highly correlated with neonatal values (r=0.93 at birth). Infants of vaccinated women had significantly LOWER antibody concentrations than did infants of naturally immune women.'
      BMJ 2010;340:c1626, http://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c1626.full

      A few benefits of NATURAL contraction with childhood illnesses:

      Albonico et al found that adults are significantly protected against non-breast cancers — genital, prostate, gastrointestinal, skin, lung, ear-nose-throat, and others — if they contracted measles (odds ratio, OR = 0.45), rubella (OR = 0.38) or chickenpox (OR = 0.62) earlier in life. [Med Hypotheses 1998; 51(4): 315-20].

      Montella et al found that contracting measles in childhood reduces the risk of developing lymphatic cancer in adulthood [Leuk Res 2006; 30(8): 917-22].

      Alexander et al found that infection with measles during childhood is significantly protective — it cuts the risk in half — against developing Hodgkin’s disease (OR = 0.53) [Br J Cancer 2000; 82(5): 1117-21].

      Glaser et al also found that lymph cancer is significantly more likely in adults who were not infected with measles, mumps or rubella in childhood [In J Cancer 2005; 115(4): 599-605].

      Gilham et al found that infants with the least exposure to common infections have the greatest risk of developing childhood leukemia [BMJ 2005; 330: 1294].

      Urayama et al also found that early exposure to infections is protective against leukemia [Int J Cancer 2011; 128(7): 1632
      Measles can be spread from fully vaccinated people to other fully vaccinated people.

      Measles vaccine failures cause outbreaks of the disease.

      Emergency room visits are significantly more common in children who were recently vaccinated against MMR.

      Children who contract measles are significantly less likely to develop allergies than children who are vaccinated against measles.

      Children with a history of measles are significantly less likely to develop allergies than children without a history of measles.

      Children who never received an MMR vaccine were protected against allergies.

      The MMR vaccine significantly increases the risk of seizures.

      Febrile seizures are serious adverse events that occur at significantly elevated levels after MMR vaccination.

      Vaccination with MMRV (measles-mumps-rubella-varicella) significantly increases the risk of being hospitalized for febrile convulsions.

      MMR significantly increases the risk of thrombocytopenia (ITP), a serious internal bleeding disorder.

      Thrombocytopenia, a serious autoimmune bleeding disorder, is 5 times more likely to occur after MMR vaccination.

      MMR vaccination increases the risk of childhood leukemia.

      Measles and mumps infections in childhood protect against deadly heart attacks and strokes during adulthood.

      Measles and other childhood infections protect against cancer of the lymph system.

      Vitamin A supplementation is highly protective against complications and death from measles.

      Read: 'Attacking Ourselves: Top Doctors Reveal Vaccines Turn Our Immune System Against Us'

    • Roxanne says:

      A) As an EX-VAXXER turned Vaccine Skeptic who woke up the hard way after three horrible incidents finally shook me of my deeply programmed pro-vaccine inDOCTRination, thank you Baily for showing your heartless indifference to the suffering, injury and death of thousands of vaccine victims… If you think vaccine casualties are ‘one in a million’, well I must know MANY millions of people!

      B) Thank you for also showing that you’re the perfect example of someone brainwashed by the media – like I used to be – buying hook line and sinker the propaganda peddled by the pharmaceutical controlled CDC, FDA and their minions in media

      You’ve made abundantly clear your ignorance of:

      – “Independent regulatory” bodies are ripe with the revolving door conflicts of interest where they regulate the very thing they promote and profit from. Citing the CDC is like asking the fox to guard the hen house!

      – The DOCUMENTED ADMISSION by CDC Senior Scientist, Dr. William Thompson that the CDC destroyed critical evidence linking the MMR with Autism… This is the medical cover-up of the century and has been completely blacked out by media. This is a CRIME of the highest order -VACCINEGATE!

      – Dr. Zimmerman, the Federal government’s Leading Expert who used to defend AGAINST the vaccine – autism connection, eventually had to concede that vaccines could indeed cause autism in a subset of children. No media!
      (Sharyl Attkinson- a rare REAL journalist broke the documentation)

      – The case against Dr. Andrew Wakefield and his colleagues was a kangeroo court with conflicts of interest (pharmaceutical links) at every level and the media lied and misrepresented his ACTUAL conclusion. Did you ever even read the actual conclusion or did you just let yellow journalism dictate your opinion for you?

      – Dr. Horton of Lancet was pressured to revoke the study not on scientific grounds but on political grounds and even twice said that the essential clinical findings remain sound.

      – The brilliant Dr. John Walker-Smith – Wakefield’s colleague on the SAME study was cleared of all charges and the judge lamented how low the judicial system had sunk… Again, no media! ( Dr. Wakefield did not have the funds to challenge the original ruling)

      – ** Dr. Wakefield’s findings have been replicated internationally

      – **Before and after Dr. Wakefield there have been a plethora of studies linking vaccination with Autism.

      – The key study used to debunk the vaccine – autism connection by Paul Thorsen was highly flawed and he has been charged on multiple counts of fraud, but again NO media!

      Re. Measles: *** A few of many citations below to Prof. TMR which were meant for you and placed under your name but showed up in the wrong place:

      – Official graphs show mortality from measles plummeted before the vaccine by roughly 98% to one death per 500,000 general population.

      – Measles outbreaks have regularly occurred in populations with almost 100% compliance and that pseudo-science artificially induced “herd immunity” unlike REAL herd immunity is a crock. *** By the way, were are all the Scarlet Fever outbreaks which historically claimed more victims than measles but for which NO vaccine was ever administered and for which the death rate plummeted before the advent of antibiotics?!

      – Vaccines can shed and spread disease.

      – Mothers vaccinated against measles have a lower ability to impart antibodies to their babies. Hence vaccination which at best grants temporary “immunity” shifts a safe childhood disease to OTHER age ranges in which the infection can pose more dangers.

      – In rare cases of serious measles complications, high dose Vitamin A significantly reduces complications.

      – Contracting childhood illnesses like measles, mumps, chicken pox etc. provides later benefits against cancer etc.

      – That vaccines are NOT tested for carcinogenic nor mutagenic potential or impairment of fertility etc. Vaccine monographs even admit this!

      – Vaccine trials are based on tobacco science in which NON-inert placebos are routinely used thereby yielding fake safety data.

      – There are THOUSANDS of studies linking vaccines to a slew of serious disorders: miscarriages, allergies, seizures, asthma, ‘Sudden Infant Death Syndrome’, visual and hearing disorders, diabetes, neurological disorders, auto-immune disorders, cancer etc.

      – That VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) despite being an appalling farce — a voluntary, lax, passive reporting system still receives many thousands of reports of injury and death a year and officialdom has even admitted that VAERS stats represent a measly 1-10% of the actual number of vaccine injuries/deaths.

      The bottom line is that vaccines are a dinosaur, flawed, outdated paradigm that thwarts real immunity by bypassing the critical immune system frontiers of the mucosal membranes, skewing the balance between the two arms of the immune system and further subjecting the patient to dangerous adjuvants, neurotoxins, carcinogens etc. When in nature do you have multiple diseases INJECTED at once? *** There is a reason auto-immune disease is skyrocketing and kids are sicker than ever!! There are a growing number of doctors and scientists who are bravely speaking out critically against the vaccine holy cow despite smear tactics, losing funding etc. but again, you can be sure they’ll never be given a platform on your local radio show. You’d do well to at least listen to one brave whistleblower Judy Mikovitz PhD who paid a heavy price for exposing cancer causing retroviruses in vaccines.

      • John Collins says:

        So, roxann, if you would go to a naturopath, chiropractor, or homeopath with a serious medical condition, I applaud you for the courage of your convictions, and hope you do well with that course of treatment. American Medicine is at its best with infections, trauma, operative interventions, cancer, heart disease, and not as effective with long-term diseases.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Indeed it’s not. Conventionally practiced, it is nearly useless at anything other than ameliorating symptoms with drugs. Those “long-term diseases” are proliferating today and are a huge factor in turning people away from conventional medicine.

    • Cliff Lind Hjulskov says:

      You sound like a very intelligent person you need to read and understand this; https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/whitepapers/ICAN%20Reply%20-%20December%2031%2C%202018.pdf

    • Carolyn says:


      Here’s a fact: Not every doctor-led consensus in history has been built on truth and veracity. Back in the 30s-40s for example, they defended smoking (while accepting free cartons of cigarettes donated by the manufacturers)

      Then there was the defense of thalidomide in the 50s (which created birth defects…

      Nothing much has changed.

      • John Collins says:

        Knowledge does get better with time. Thalidomide is a useful drug with leprosy, for example, but a terrible drug in pregnancy.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Too bad no one at the FDA or CDC has exhibited the same caution toward vaccines that Frances Oldham Kelsey exhibited toward Thalidomide. She made a real difference for American children.

    • VT says:

      1) Measles is not a disease. Measles is an infection. Comes and goes in a week. Vaccine injury can be a lifetime.
      2) How dare you criticize this parent for voicing their opinion, then recite your own lame opinion. It is NOT okay to disrespect parents of vaccine injured children!!!! These children were harmed by a medical intervention.

    • jane mariouw says:

      you fail. you did not get the point.
      give yourself a zero for understanding and compassion.

    • Shenell says:

      I have 3 boys. I believe in a mother’s instinct. You may find this reckless. That is your opinion. Everything in life is about perception at the end of the day I guess. I do not have degrees and studied every medical book on the shelf out there etc. But I am a mother. Out of personal experience, I can say this with confidence,when it was time for my oldest son to have his vaccination, I knew it was wrong, but we took him anyways, because that is what society expected and according to this society is what a good responsible parent would do. I cried every time. Then all of a sudden my child changed. His behaviour, his progress in developing skills, and social skills, he got fixated on specific things. My second child, the same thing, only he stopped talking after the age of 2. He didn’t make eye contact all of a sudden, he didn’t react anymore when you called his name or spoke to him. He also got fixated on certain things. We then went to Pta. As parents, we thought maybe one is hyper active and the other somehow went deaf? Doctors didn’t have any explanations. By this time our 3rd baby boy was about 6months old. When we went to Pretoria to Kribs, we were informed that indeed our two boys did not have what we thought. No one was deaf of hyper active. They strongly advised us to go to a certain neurological paediatric in Pta, since they were sure both our boys were on the Autistic spectrum. Alot happened after that. Then we had to hear that if two of the siblings are on the autistic spectrum, the chances are basically 100% that our third child will also regress into the Autistic spectrum. We were horrified. What I neglected to say before, is that when my 3rd child was born, I didn’t quiet my mother’s instinct voice. No. I took a silent stand, and we as parents, decided not to take our youngest for any vaccinations whatsoever. I won’t bore you with all the details. All I can say, today my almost 13year old and 10year old are going through therapy every day, on special diets etc. They are happy boys, but life can be challenging. They are super heroes to us. So happy and positive even though people can be cruel and harsh and so outspoken, like yourself. Let’s even say heartless. Nonetheless. Our youngest….according to the clever educated one’s should have shown some type of autistic trade by now, because it is a ‘gene’ thing. Really? I beg to differ. And not by science or this or that, but I beg to differ with actual results of NOT getting my 3rd son vaccinated and today, he is the result. Have you ever thought of it this way? Everyone has cancer cells in their bodies. Something may trigger it in you, but not in me, even if we live the same way, eat the same thing…it just depends. Well in my uneducated opinion, it is the same with everything else. In this case, the trigger in autism. My question is, why take that chance? It could very well be your future grandchild one day that gets that vaccination, and you take that chance, and it may just not work out like the clever people say it will turn out.

      My boys are amazing. I love them. And my 3rd child is a vaccine free child…And he is flourishing at school and in life. I do not think, I know vaccines are a major chance you take to give to a child.

      It is a chance I would not suggest to take. See it like this please. If by experience you got hurt, you would obviously caution others to be careful. This is only advise. No one is telling you that you should follow the advise. We are only voicing our experience and concern. Giving a heads up to those who care to take notice of what can and have happened. It is not a debate. It happened in our lives. Rather concidder yourself lucky. Don’t go in attack mode when you have no experience in what other people like us went and still go through.

      You are fighting a fight you actually know nothing about out of a lack of personal experience.

      • John Collins says:

        Mother’s instinct is important, for your own kids, but can’t extrapolate to others.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        In case you haven’t noticed, we ALWAYS advocate that mothers listen to THEIR intuition when making decisions for THEIR children.

      • Sigmund Freud says:

        It is often said, in medical circles, that when a patient says, “I know my body” they’re about to say someso at variance with medical knowledge that it is viewed with eye rolling. Example 98.6 is a fever for me, I have a high pain tolerance (when asking for narcotics for a minor injury), I always need antibiotics (for a self-limited viral infection).

        When a mother says, “I know my child”, I believe she is accurately describing behaviors she observes, but the next step, the conclusion of the cause of a behavior change may be faulty.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Of course it may, but it may ALSO be far closer to the truth than the “faulty” hypothesis of her medical provider.

      • John Collins says:

        Anchoring bias does occur. By the way, there are physicians and providers (non-physicians). NPs and PAs, much less chiropractors, homeopaths, naturopaths, etc. have much less training in modern medicine.

  24. Jade says:

    If response to “Sigmund Freud” up above – our child was severely vaccine injured at 18 months, with encephalopathy with a high fever as the primary immediate result, along with diaper rash, and skin rash that looked like eczema on his arms and legs.

    He had mild reactions to his earlier vaccines, and we were constantly assured that the earlier fevers or mild redness on his skin were *completely normal* and *nothing to worry about*, when we took him in to the doctor.

    After the 18 month set, where he was clearly massively affected, we took him to the ER and the ER doc identified his injuries as vaccine related right away, and after discussion with us walked us through how to report the injury on the VAERS system.

    Since then I have spoken to numerous doctors who absolutely recognize that vaccine injuries are real, that what happened to our son is unacceptable and it could have been prevented if his previous doctor had suggested we stop vaccinating him when he had the more mild early reactions. Instead, he developed speech apraxia and behavioral problems which have required treatment and additional skilled care costing thousands of extra dollars per year.

    He was perfectly healthy before the vaccine injuries, and they didn’t have to happen. I’ll see your idiotic assertion that because you know a few doctors you think you know something yourself, and raise you the fact that I have a vaccine injured child, who is being treated by several doctors who specialize in vaccine injured children.

    You LITERALLY do not know what you are taking about.

    People like you *ARE* the problem this post was about in the first place.

    • John Collins says:

      Sorry for your son’s illnesses. Glad the ED physician was helpful. Someone posted making it sound like they’re all boobs.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Yes, that would be our friend Sigmund, who implied that because he’s spoken to ER docs who claimed they had “never seen” vaccine reactions that none had.

    • Karin Schuetze says:

      Oh my! Your son’s story sounds just like my son’s. Wow! Just wondering how people with so called good intentions can just brush off what has happened to these kids!

    • Melissa diotte says:

      I spoke to physician friends and nurses as I am one, and have asked what they know about vaccines. Physicians tell me they are only educated to give the vaccines on schedule and that’s pretty much it. Nurses, even less. Those that are pro vax always say “ 100’s of peer reviews”. But they have never read them. It’s all word of mouth. Anti -Vax people actually look things up and read them. Pros and cons especially when your child or you are affected by it. I was forced to take a flu shot or lose my job. I have kids and am sole support. I didn’t want it but felt I had no choice. I had an immediate site reaction of intense itching and redness, (I am allergic to aluminum and can’t use products containing it). Within 2 days I became ill and had a horrible severe headache that nothing got rid of and then progressed to incoherence for 2 days that I have little memory of. I was ill for weeks and lost 2 weeks of work days. I recorded the beginning and after those 2 days to have a record of it. I spoke to my doctor who told me I can never take another one and he would give me an exemption. This stuff is
      real. I will not take another one even if I get fired. I’d rather live and find another job than be debilitated or dead.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        I am very sorry about your reaction to the flu vaccine, but that reaction wasn’t due to an aluminum allergy. There is no aluminum by design in flu vaccines. Contaminants may be another story, but so far the only adjuvanted flu vaccine licensed in the U.S. is Fluad, a vaccine approved for adults age 65 or over, which uses MF59, a squalene-based adjuvant: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/adjuvants.html.

    • John Collins says:

      Sore, Jade, didn’t mean to unleash some of the understandable anger and frustration you have. I was interested in the degree of symptoms and time interval to help understand the mechanism(s) involved, whether allergic, inflammatory, anaphylactic, etc.

      People like me aren’t the problem; what caused the illness IS the problem, and people who can look dispassionately at the problem may point to a, or the, solution. Not everyone is your enemy.

      My point about mentioning the medical community was that there needs to be greater awareness. The fact that a cohort of physicians hasn’t seen serious vaccine reactions doesn’t preclude their existence. “The eye doesn’t see what the brain doesn’t know “. Education, and knowledge, are initial guides on the path.

    • Barrie says:

      Great reply!

    • Raya says:

      Jade what doctors acknowledge vaccine injury? What state or country?! Here they are all in denial.

  25. Nurse says:

    Yup it’s so crazy. Left is as bad @ the right. People are so polarized and justified in their believes. Vaccinate or don’t it’s your body your kids health and I support all parents decisions.

    My kid got the full on MUMPS two weeks after the MMR. If you do choose to vaccinate 98% of the population will be 100% immune after just ONE MMR shot the doctors don’t bother to test tho tho they just give our kids shot number two for good measure $$$ hell no. Get the titer test before 2nd shot. My kid was VERY immune according to the titer result AND a second shot could have caused additional illness and HARM.

    • John Collins says:

      Titer tests are expensive which is why they’re not routinely ordered.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        So is recovery from vaccine-induced damage to the immunological, neurological, and endocrine systems.

      • John Collins says:

        Testing isn’t done routinely so some get vaccination after a hey have developed immune response.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Yes, I’m well aware of that. One of most common motifs for vaccine-injured children is that their antibody levels are off the charts after the first vaccine. If their titers had been tested, it should have been obvious that a repeated vaccine would be unwise at best. Believe me, in those cases a titer test would have been a LOT cheaper than the subsequent therapies and medical treatments required to deal with the fallout.

      • John Collins says:

        And, yet, these entities occur in unvaccinated kids, as well.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        “These entities”? What “entities” are you speaking of?

      • Sigmund Freud says:

        Encephalopathy, neurologic disease, high fevers, autism, learning disabilities, etc.

      • Sigmund Freud says:

        True, true, and unrelated.

  26. Pammy says:

    💔 so true. The hate and vitriol is unbelievable. Vaccine reactions are the only adverse reaction that when reported are dismissed, berated, and never acknowledged. Thank you for your unwavering commitment. It makes all the difference.

    • Janna says:

      It’s because vaccination functions like a cult; questioning it is unacceptable.

      • John Collins says:

        And anti-vaccination is like a cult, picking and choosing the literature that supports your position, often with complete disregard for biology or science in general. One of the reasons why death in children is uncommon, compared to 100 years ago? Science.

    • Bill says:

      I know what you mean, Pammy, and I DO AGREE with you! But there’s more, that you’re leaving out, and not thinking of, which is ALSO TRUE. That’s the whole issue of so-called “psych drugs”. Or so-called “psychiatric medications”. (I have to write “”so-called””, and use quote marks”” “”, because I’m leaving out a LOT of science for sake of discussion here.)
      With both vaxxes and psych drugs, what we are seeing, is media messages, and government policy, and market forces, all arranged to $ELL DRUG$, at *OUR* expense, and it’s all “for your(our) own good”.
      Both vaxxes and psych drugs are PRIVATE, FOR-PROFIT PRODUCTS, that are pushed on folks whether they are needed or wanted, or not…. with little actual science to support such use….
      KEEP UP the GOOD WORK!

  27. Dianne Jacobs Thompson says:

    My only child was vaccinated against our will at a military hospital in San Antonio, TX in 1986. She had fallen on the grounds while horsing around and cut her neck on a PVC watering pipe. It was superficial, completely cleaned and disinfected, and stitched closed just because the stretchy skin on the neck pulled open quite a bit. It was a tetanus shot, her first, because we were against vaccination (naturopathic medicine), but we were bullied, intimidated and threatened…and caved in, not agreeing but not stopping when they went ahead and did it. The reaction began before we even got home–a flesh eating infection so virulent her dad & I got infected from direct contact. She recovered quickly, thanks to a naturopathic protocol rather than medical although we had to flee the state in the middle of the night to do it. (http://truthquest2.com/drdickvsdanney.htm) That was 33 years ago, and I have been researching and writing off and on since then. I studied the actual history from 1796 on, but the most important and relevant finding has been recent history more than past (as horrifying as that was).


    EXAMPLE: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9951980  Increased long term mortality/rash after early measles vax/Senegal  CONCLUSIONS~rash after high titer measles vaccine may identify children/high dose of vax/more severe & persistent postvaccination immunosuppression.”

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/04/29/the-emergence-of-vaccine-induced-diseases.aspx Vaccine Can Wreck Your Immune System

    Roitt, Brostoff, Male, Immunology, Mosby Publ, 1998 London
    Cytokines are low-molecular weight proteins that control, coordinate, and regulate various immune or inflammatory responses. The importance of cytokines in the host response to infection cannot be overstated. Full protection against disease requires the involvement of many different systems of the body and it is the cytokines that coordinate them. Vaccines inhibit the normal function of cytokines, and in fact new vaccines specifically target cytokine activity. “Recently, gene therapy and DNA vaccination has been used to produce
    memory against a number of cytokines that promote inflammation. Antibodies to the product of each inserted gene were produced. These antibodies were found to prevent the effects of the cytokines.

    Getting a vaccination does not guarantee immunity. (~CDC, January 28, 1994.)

    “Neutralizing antibodies are reported to reflect levels of protection, although this has not been validated in the field.” (~Journal of the American Medical Association, June 9, 1999, Vol. 281. No. 22)

    Vaccine. 2001 Oct 15;20 Suppl 1:S38-41http://www.vaclib.org/basic/titers-immunity.htm “in many instances, antigen-specific antibody titers do not correlate with protection.” –Del Giudice G, Podda A, Rappuoli R. IRIS Research Center, Chiron SpA, Via Fiorentina 1, 53100, Siena, Italy.

    Raymond Obomsawin, PHD wrote the following in his book, Universal Immunization: Medical Miracle or Masterful Mirage? a team of scientists writing in the New England Journal of Medicine ‘It is important to stress that immunity (or its absence) cannot be determined reliable on the basis of history of the disease, history of immunization, or even history of prior serologic determination.’

    Dr. Glenn Dettman stated the following in an interview with Jay Patrick: “Just because you give somebody a vaccine, and perhaps get an antibody reaction, doesn’t mean a thing. The only true antibodies, of course, are those you get naturally. What we’re doing [when we inject vaccines] is interfering with a very delicate mechanism that does its own thing.

    Dr. Tedd Koren, D.C. stated, “Whenever we read vaccine papers, the MD researchers always assume that if there are high antibody levels after vaccination, then there is immunity (immunogencity). But are antibody levels and immunity the same? No! Antibody levels are not the same as IMMUNITY. The recent MUMPS vaccine fiasco in Switzerland has re-emphasized this point. Three mumps vaccines—Rubini, Jeryl-Lynn and Urabe (the one withdrawn because it caused encephalitis)— all produced excellent antibody levels but those vaccinated with the Rubini strain had the same attack rate as those not vaccinated at all, there were some who said that it actually caused outbreaks.” [Ref: Schegal M et al Comparative efficacy of three mumps vaccines during disease outbreak in Switzerland: cohort study. BMJ, 1999; 319:352-3.]

    Dr. Rebecca Carly explains: “The mechanism by which the immune system is corrupted can best be realized when you understand that the two poles of the immune system (the cellular and humoral mechanisms) have a reciprocal relationship in that when
    the activity of one pole is increased, the other must decrease. Thus, when one is stimulated, the other is inhibited.  Since vaccines activate the B cells to secrete antibody, the cytotoxic (killer) T cells are subsequently suppressed.  (In fact, progressive vaccinia following vaccination with smallpox) occurs in the presence of high titers of circulating antibody to the virus1 combined with suppressed cytotoxic T cells, leading to spreading of lesions all over the body).  This suppression of the cell mediated response is thus a key factor in the development of cancer and life threatening infections.  In fact, the “prevention” of a disease via vaccination is, in reality, an inability to expel organisms due to the suppression of the cell-mediated response.  Thus, rather than preventing disease, the disease is actually prevented from ever being resolved.  The organisms continue circulating through the body, adapting to the hostile environment by transforming into other organisms depending on acidity, toxicity and other changes to the internal terrain of the body as demonstrated by the works of Professor Antoine Béchamp.”

    • John Collins says:

      REally, an infection of “flesh eating” bacteria from a vaccination? Since the vaccination wasn’t staph or strep (the organisms that are involved), I wonder if something else might have caused the problem.

    • Transparency in medicine says:

      Necrotizing fasciitis is very rare and can’t come from vaccines it also does not get better without antibiotics and usually surgical intervention, removing the infected tissue they are usually rapidly progressive infections. I can tell you that true necrotizing fasciitis infections are beyond the scope of a naturopath and if a patient only saw them for their treatment it would be fatal. https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/2051157-overview

    • Roxanne says:

      Thanks for your excellent comment… Yes, the narrow notion that a rise in antibodies following vaccination – a shock to the system – is equal to true immunity is a false one.

  28. Gayle. Janiak says:

    My child also lost her life to the vaccine

    • Jennifer Power says:

      I am so sorry for your loss.

      God bless you.

    • Roxanne says:

      I am so sorry, Gayle! While the media fearmongers over childhood diseases that are far less dangerous than the toxic vaccine concoctions jabbed in, thousands of vaccine victims go invisible — no media, no justice, rarely any compensation — as if compensation could ever make up for your precious child. A contact of mine who lost his son at age 32 or so after a “lifetime” in a wheelchair “thanks” to the DPT wrote a book, ‘Dare to Question, One Parent to Another…’ by Ted Kuntz. I don’t know how long ago you lost your daughter, under what circumstances or her age, but I do hope that in some capacity, you are able to volunteer with a local/regional vaccine awareness group to open the eyes of other parents, in her precious name. Blessings!

    • John Collins says:

      Sorry for your loss. How long after the vaccination did your child die? Interested in time intervals to try to understand etiologies.

      • Shilah says:

        John, don’t be a vulture. There are plenty of deaths elsewhere, well-documented, which you can study. SMH

  29. Grandma says:

    God bless your family, your injured child, even more, know that there is a community of those who believe you, did all in their power to protect their child and wrap these invisible arms around your little girl. You are a force that some cannot acknowledge. Please feel the love and support that we have for your family, for your struggle, and for your bravery that might spare another family the heartbreak that you have experienced.
    We are invisible, but should not be so to you, we are grateful for your fight, there is no way for you to know how many kids you have saved, but we are out there listening.

  30. Sigmund Freud says:

    Should be HPV, not HOV. Fat fingers. Typos abound in my world.

  31. John Collins says:

    Professor – your remarks at 9:32 pm aren’t completely accurate. People who are immunized, either by vaccinations or otherwise, who get the disease in question often have less severe manifestation (ie. less likely to die, suffer organ failure, or other serious complications). Having said that, I will iterate again that, in the US, most people whether immunized (by vaccinations specifically) are unlikely to get the disease in question. The vaccinations for HPV, a subject of some controversy for many on your blog, is the first major step in dramatically reducing the incidence of a number of forms of cancer, so there’s that.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      How would getting a “less severe manifestation” make my remarks inaccurate? It would tend to support rather than contradict the idea that vaccine-induced immunity is not the same as naturally induced immunity.

      HPV vaccines are indeed a “subject of some controversy” on our blog and anywhere people actually think for themselves. Unfortunately, recent data from countries with high rates of HPV vaccination is not supporting your contention that it is “the first major step in dramatically reducing the incidence of a number of forms of cancer” as several countries are noting rises in rates of cervical cancer rates in vaccinated cohorts since the advent of HPV vaccination: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5821696/.

      • Sigmund Freud says:

        The incidence of increased incidence may be a result of reduced screening, not the HOV vaccine causing more cancers. Also, because of the presumed protective effect of the vaccine, women may be having more unprotected sex early on in a relationship.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        IF it’s a result of reduced screening (which is unlikely in young women), then the vaccine campaign is NOT reducing the incidence of cervical cancer, is it? Nor are the architects of the vaccine campaign all that concerned with doing so if they are not making certain that young women know that the vaccine is NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR SCREENING.

        Young women are actually having LESS sex, unprotected or otherwise, so there goes that theory.

      • Angel says:

        A lot of opinionated “mays” in your post. You should read actual scientific studies concerning the hpv vaccines. The only thing that has decreased is age of incidence. Cervical cancer occur in younger individuals now, and a high percentage of strains involved were also used in the vaccine. Then you can start looking at the reproductive decline of nations that have implemented this vaccines. And this thought screening increase actually would decrease cancer because it’s highly treatable after smears.

      • Sigmund Freud says:

        The inaccuracy is that you suggest getting the disease reflects lack of immunity. Without getting too technical, some vaccinations are live virus (analogous in a way to the “chickenpox parties” more common before immunizations were available), so providing the body an opportunity to develop its own immune response.

        Many people, immunized or not, don’t get the disease in question. Those who do get it less frequently than a non-vaccinated population, and have less severe manifestations as a population than a non-vaccinated population. Protection, albeit rarely 100%.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        It’s still a “lack of immunity.” If you are immune to a disease, you don’t get it.

      • John Collins says:

        Maybe you mean reduced immunity rather than lack.

      • Transparency in medicine says:

        ProfessorTMR you don’t understand immunity a person can get a disease more than once. Even after they have been exposed or have been vaccinated. When this occurs it often times is much milder than an initial infection for the simple reason that the immune system having been exposed to either the disease or proteins of the disease it has already created antibodies to combat the disease and it can easily make more. Measles is a great example of why vaccination is much better than natural exposure apart from the fact that this disease can be fatal not only during the initial infection but even years later with SSPE. Measles can also induce a profound immunosuppression that can last year’s after the infection leaving the individual at great risk from even simple infections that the body would have no problem dealing with.

      • Clépétar says:

        Sigmund Freud, if the increase of incidence is due to reduced screening and if the vaccination makes the vaccinees more enclined to have unprotected sex… then the screening was doing a better job at preventing people from HPV and cervical cancer.

      • Bradford Wiles says:

        You don’t even read the articles you post, do you? I have a strong hunch that you do not know how to interpret them. The article you posted specifically indicates that the difference in screening age recommendations is the reason for the increased presence. Linking this to vaccines is RECKLESS.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        I have a strong hunch that you lack reading comprehension skills. First of all, I did NOT link the rise in cervical cancer rates to the vaccines, reckless or not. I posted the article as a rebuttal to John Collins’ assertion that vaccination is “the first major step in dramatically reducing the incidence of a number of forms of cancer.” In other words, HE linked an ASSUMED drop in cervical cancer rates to the vaccine, and I merely asserted that the data does not support his contention, and it doesn’t. It doesn’t matter what is causing the rise; it is still the opposite of a dramatic reduction.

        Similarly in Denmark:

        “The introduction of screenings precipitated a sharp decline in cases when compared to the 1960s, when about 900 cases per year were diagnosed. And the numbers had been steadily declining.

        “But last year, 411 women were diagnosed with cervical cancer – the highest number for many years.”

        And in Sweden:

        “The increase in the incidence of cervical cancer was shown to be most prominent among women 20–49 years of age while no apparent increase was observed among women above 50 (Figure 1). The number of cases in the 20–49-year group increased from 202 cases in 2006 to 317 cases in 2015 (an increase of 50%).


        (That study was retracted, which I’m sure was because it DARED mention that the vaccine MIGHT be implicated in the rise in cervical cancer rates in women 20-49 years of age.)

    • Nancy says:

      What about those who get the vaccines and have NO immunity. Even after three boosters? They don’t all work.

      • John Collins says:

        The “work” is because of the individual’s immune system. Some have better responses than others.

      • Transparency in medicine says:

        That is why high levels of community immunity is important. An immunization rate above 95% protects those who truly can’t be vaccinated the people on immunosuppression, true allergies, and those people that don’t generate an effective immune response.

      • Roxanne says:

        So called artificially induced “herd immunity” is a crock. Furthermore, vaccines can shed and some inserts even warn that the recently vaccinated should not be around those with compromised immunity. The sad irony is that those with compromised immunity may have very well got their allergies, cancer, auto-immune condition etc. BECAUSE of vaccination. Moreover, childhood infections such as chickenpox, measles etc. have been shown to have a protective effect against various cancers etc.

        ‘The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons…”‘ Poland GA, Jacobson RM., Department of Internal Medicine, Mayo Vaccine Research Group, Mayo Clinic and Foundation, Rochester, MN./1994

        “Among school age children, measles outbreaks have occurred in schools with vaccine levels greater than 98%. These outbreaks have occurred in all parts of the country, including areas that have not reported measles for years.” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 2/19/89
        ‘Vaccination coverage for the total population was 99.0%. Incomplete vaccination coverage is NOT a valid explanation for the Quebec City measles outbreak.’ ‘ Major measles epidemic in the region of Quebec (1989) despite a 99% vaccine coverage – Boulianne N1, De Serres G, Duval B, Joly JR, Meyer F, Déry P, Alary M, Le Hénaff D, Thériault N./PubMed 1991

        “The reported coverage of the measles–rubella (MR) or measles–mumps–rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high…” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930734/

        ‘The largest measles epidemic in North America in the last decade occurred in 2011 in Quebec, Canada where rates of 1 and 2 dose vaccine coverage were 95-97% and 90% respectively…’ ‘Largest measles epidemic in North America in a decade–Quebec, Canada, 2011: contribution of susceptibility, serendipity, and superspreading events’: Journal of Infectious Diseases 2013, March 15;207(6);990

        Vaccine-derived viral SHEDDING following any (live or attenuated) injection.

        ‘Overall, measles virus RNA was detected in 10 of 12 children during the 2-week sampling period. In some cases, measles virus RNA was detected as early as 1 day or as late as 14 days after vaccination.

        ‘Measles virus RNA was also detected in the urine samples from all four of the young adults between 1 and 13 days after vaccination.‘ Detection of Measles Virus RNA in Urine Specimens from Vaccine Recipients, Journal of Clinical Microbiology, Sept. 1995

        The Measles, Mumps, Rubella Vaccine contains 3 live (attenuated or heat-treated/modified) viruses propagated (grown) in chick embryos. This process alone is cause for alarm, given the CDC’s own internal data, which states that ‘egg propagation of viruses can lead to genetic changes that might have antigenic implications (mutagenic synergistic changes which can alter the virus, rendering it more virulent).‘

        ‘Vaccinated women had significantly fewer IgG antibodies (geometric mean titre 779 (95% confidence interval 581 to 1045) mIU/ml) than did naturally immune women (2687 (2126 to 3373) mIU/ml) (P<0.001). Maternal values were highly correlated with neonatal values (r=0.93 at birth). Infants of vaccinated women had significantly LOWER antibody concentrations than did infants of naturally immune women.'

      • John Collins says:

        Oh, so now cancer is caused by vaccination? Really? Any evidence for this? Even Bob Sears is not alleging that. Tin hat time?

      • Roxanne says:

        ***Assorted items; typical vaccine insert examples; quotes; benefits re. reduced cancer via natural infection:

        “Prevnar has NOT been evaluated for its carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or impaired infertility…Immune response elicited by Prevnar among infants born prematurely have not been studied.” Two Statements from Product Monograph for Prevnar Vaccine

        Fluzone vaccine has NOT been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or for impairment of fertility.” Vaccine Package Insert for Sanofi Pasteur’s Fluzone

        “Carcinogenicity – We have done NO testing for the carcinogenicity of MF-59or any of our vaccines. We haven’t done it and we don’t plan to.”

        Dr. Novicki, Scientist, Novartis Pharmacheuticals, F.D.A.-N.I.H. Meeting 12/2008

        “Some of these…may contain cancer-causing viruses that are not actively reproducing. Such viruses are hard to detect using standard methods. These latent, or ‘quiet,’ viruses pose a potential threat, since they might become active under vaccine manufacturing conditions.” ‘Investigating Viruses in Cells Used to Make Vaccines and Evaluating the Potential Threat Posed by Transmission of Viruses to Humans.’ F.D.A

        “We found that these cell lines are not only contaminated with monkey viruses or human cancer causing viruses but also gamma viruses related to mice and people developing not only cancer but ALS, Parkinsons, Myalygic Encephalistis…” Judy Mikovitz PhD, whistle blower on Cancer causing retro-viruses, 2017

        Despite official denials of any correlation between polio vaccines, SV-40 and increased cancer rates, by April 2001, 62 papers from 30 laboratories around the world had reported SV-40 in human tissues and tumours. San Francisco Chronicle 7/15/2001

        A study of 59,000 women found that children of mothers who received the Salk vaccine between 1959 and 1965 had brain tumours at a rate 13 times greater than mothers who did not receive those polio shots. New England Journal of Medicine 1988; 318; 1469

        “I just think this virus may have some long-term affects…cancer. Three, four weeks after that we found tumours popping out of these hamsters.” Dr. Maurice Hilleman, Chief Vaccine Developer, Merck relating comments made to Dr. Albert Sabin, developer of the live virus polio vaccine, in interview with Edward Shorter, Medical Historian, 2/6/87

        “Certain vaccines called “recombinant”, “subunit” and “naked DNA” use methods of genetic engineering in their productions. These techniques pose major concerns because of the unknown interaction of the vaccine and human proteins/DNA. The FDA actually acknowledges this concern where mutations take place through the activation of oncogenes or inactivation of tumour suppressor genes allowing cancers to thrive… A detailed and technical report which details the many cancerous and genetic consequences of vaccine contamination notes that each vaccine dose is allowed 100,000,000 allowable pieces of DNA, not including the DNA in the viral and viral-contaminated portions. We believe that any allowable piece of DNA is a risk.” Harold Buttram MD, FAACP, ‘Vaccines and Genetic Mutation’

        “Since vaccines activate the B cells to secrete antibody, the T cells are subsequently suppressed. This suppression of the cell mediated response is a key factor in the development of cancer and life threatening infections…”

        Rebecca Carley MD, VIDS Expert, ‘Inoculations: The True Weapon of Mass Deception

        Vaccines, Leukemia and Lymphomas:

        Bichel J. Post-vaccinial lymphadenitis developing into Hodgkin’s disease. Acta Med Scand, 1976, 199: 523-525.
        Stewart AM, et al. Aetiology of childhood leukaemia. Lancet, 1965, Oct 16, 2: 789-790.
        Glathe H, et al. Evidence of tumorigenic activity of candidate cell substrate in vaccine production by the use of anti-lymphocyte serum. Development Biol Std, 1977, 34: 145-148.
        Bolognesi, DP, “Potential Leukemia Virus Subunit Vaccines: Discussion”, Can Research, Feb 1976, 36(2 pt 2):655-656.
        Colon, VF, et al. Vaccinia Necrosum as a Clue to Lymphatic Lymphoma, Geriatrics, Dec 1968, 23:81-82.
        Park-Dincsoy, H et al. Lymphoid Depletion in a case of Vaccinia Gangrenosa”, Laval Med, Jan 1968, 39:24-26.
        Hugoson, G et al. The Occurrence of Bovine Leukosis Following the Introduction of Babesiosis Vaccination Bibl Haemat, 1968, 30:157-161.
        Hartstock. Post-vaccinial Lymphadenitis: Hyperplasia of Lymphoid Tissue That Simulates Malignant Lymphomas, Apr 1968, Cancer, 21(4):632-649.
        Allerberger, F. An Outbreak of Suppurative Lymphadenitis Connected with BCG Vaccination in Austria-1990/1991, Am Rev Respir Disorder, Aug 1991, 144(2) 469.
        Omokoku B, Castells S. Post-DPT inoculation cervical lymphadenitis in children. NY State J Med 1981 Oct;81(11):1667-1668.

        Vaccines and Chromosome Changes Leading to Mutations:

        Knuutila, S et al. An Increased Frequency of Chromosomal Changes and SCEs in Cultured Lymphocytes of 12 Subjects Vaccinated Against Smallpox. Hum Genet, 1978 Feb 23; 41(1):89-96.

        Cherkeziia, SE, et al. Disorders in the Murine Chromosome Apparatus Induced By Immunization with a Complex of Anti-viral Vaccines. Vopr Virusol, 1979 Sept Oct, (5):547-550. [SCE means sister chromatid exchange and is an indication that genetic mutations are occurring, which could possibly lead to cancer-causing mutations.]

        The Polio Vaccine Has Been Linked to Cancer:

        Shah, K and Nathanson, N. “Human exposure to SV40.” American Journal of Epidemiology, 1976; 103: 1-12.

        Innis, M.D. “Oncogenesis and poliomyelitis vaccine.” Nature, 1968; 219:972-73.

        Soriano, F., et al. “Simian virus 40 in a human cancer.” Nature, 1974; 249:421-24.

        Weiss, A.F., et a;. “Simian virus 40-related antigens in three human meningiomas with defined chromosome loss.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Science 1975; 72(2):609-13.

        Scherneck, S., et al. “Isolation of a SV-40-like papovavirus from a human glioblastoma.” International Journal of Cancer 1979; 24:523-31.

        Stoian, M., et al. “Possible relation between viruses and oromaxillofacial tumors. II. Research on the presence of SV40 antigen and specific antibodies in patients with oromaxillofacial tumors.” Virologie, 1987; 38:35-40.

        Stoian, M., et al. “Possible relation between viruses and oromaxillofacial tumors. II. Detection of SV40 antigen and of anti-SV40 antibodies in patients with parotid gland tumors.” Virologie, 1987; 38:41-46.

        Bravo, M.P., et al. “Association between the occurrence of antibodies to simian vacuolating virus 40 and bladder cancer in male smokers.” Neoplasma, 1988; 35:285-88.

        O’Connell, K., et al. “Endothelial cells transformed by SV40 T-antigen cause Kaposi’s sarcoma-like tumors in nude mice.” American Journal of Pathology, 1991; 139(4):743-49.

        Weiner, L.P., et al. “Isolation of virus related to SV40 from patients with progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy.” New England Journal of Medicine, 1972; 286:385-90.

        Tabuchi, K. “Screening of human brain tumors for SV-40-related T-antigen.” International Journal of Cancer 1978; 21:12-17.

        Meinke, W., et al. “Simian virus 40-related DNA sequences in a human brain tumor.” Neurology 1979; 29:1590-94.

        Krieg, P., et al. “Episomal simian virus 40 genomes in human brain tumors.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Science 1981; 78:6446-50.

        Krieg, P., et al. “Episomal Simian Virus 40 Genomes in Human Brain Tumors.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the USA, 1981, 78(10):6446-6450.

        Krieg, P., et al. “Cloning of SV40 genomes from human brain tumors.” Virology 1984; 138:336-40.

        Geissler, E. “SV40 in human intracranial tumors: passenger virus or oncogenic ‘hit-and-run’ agent?” Z Klin Med, 1986; 41:493-95.

        Geissler, E. “SV40 and Human Brain Tumors.” Progress in Medical Virology, 1990; 37:211-222.

        Bergsagel, D.J., et al. “DNA sequences similar to those of simian virus 40 in ependymomas and choroid plexus tumors of childhood.” New England Journal of Medicine, 1992; 326:988-93.

        Martini, M., et al. “Human Brain Tumors and Simian Virus 40.” Journal of the National Cancer Institute, 1995, 87(17):1331.

        Lednicky, JA., et al. “Natural Simian Virus 40 Strains are Present in Human Choroid Plexus and Ependymoma Tumors.” Virology, 1995, 212(2):710-17.

        Tognon, M., et al. “Large T Antigen Coding Sequence of Two DNA Tumor Viruses, BK and SV-40, and Nonrandom Chromosome Changes in Two Gioblastoma Cell Lines.” Cancer Genetics and Cytogenics, 1996, 90(1): 17-23.

        Carbone, M., et al. “SV-40 Like Sequences in Human Bone Tumors.” Oncogene, 1996, 13(3):527-35.

        Pass, HI, Carbone, M., et al. “Evidence For and Implications of SV-40 Like Sequences in Human Mesotheliomas.” Important Advances in Oncology, 1996, pp. 89-108.

        Rock, Andrea. “The Lethal Dangers of the Billion Dollar Vaccine Business,” Money, (December 1996), p. 161. [Article]

        Carlsen, William. “Rogue virus in the vaccine: Early polio vaccine harbored virus now feared to cause cancer in humans.” San Francisco Chronicle (July 15, 2001), p. 7. [Article: Research by Susan Fisher, epidemiologist, Loyola University Medical Center.]

        Bookchin, D. and Schumacher J. “Tainted polio vaccine still carries its threat 40 years later.” The Boston Globe (January 26, 1997). [Article]

        Rosa, FW., et al. “Absence of antibody response to simian virus 40 after inoculation with killed-poliovirus vaccine of mothers offspring with neurological tumors.” New England Journal of Medicine, 1988; 318:1469.

        Rosa, FW., et al. Response to: “Neurological tumors in offspring after inoculation of mothers with killed poliovirus vaccine.” New England Journal of Medicine, 1988, 319:1226.

        Martini, F., et al. “SV-40 Early Region and Large T Antigen in Human Brain Tumors, Peripheral Blood Cells, and Sperm Fluids from Healthy Individuals.” Cancer Research, 1996, 56(20):4824

        Activation of metastatic potential in African green monkey kidney cell lines by prolonged in vitro culture.

        “Their malignant tumor growth was further demonstrated around the 500 passage level when tumor metastases were detected in the lungs of four of the 14 inoculated rats. Vero cells induced such lung metastases in rats already at passage 227.”

        #Cancer #Tumorigenic #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        Aluminium chloride promotes tumorigenesis and metastasis in normal murine mammary gland epithelial cells.

        #Cancer #Breast #Aluminum #Tumors #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        Assessing the tumorigenic phenotype of VERO cells in adult and newborn nude mice.

        “During tissue-culture passage, VERO cells can develop the capacity to form tumors.”

        #Cancer #Tumorigenic #Vaccine #Vero #MedScienceResearch


        🛑 Association between SV40 and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.

        “Millions of people worldwide were inadvertently exposed to live simian virus 40 (SV40) between 1955 and 1963 through immunization with SV40-contaminated polio vaccines. Although the prevalence of SV40 infections in humans is not known, numerous studies suggest that SV40 is a pathogen resident in the human population today. SV40 is a potent DNA tumor virus that is known to induce primary brain cancers, bone cancers, mesotheliomas, and lymphomas in laboratory animals.”

        #Cancer #Contamination #Polio #Leukemia #SV40 #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        Basal-cell epithelioma occurring in a smallpox vaccination scar.

        “A patient with basal-cell epithelioma occurring in a smallpox vaccination site is reported. The association is probably not a chance occurrence.”

        #Cancer #Smallpox #Dermatological #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        [Basocellular carcinoma in a smallpox vaccination scar].

        “A 52 year old housewife was vaccinated against smallpox at the age of 18, on her right deltoid area. At the age of 50 she noticed erythema and scaling on the vaccination scar and 2 years later a nodule appear that enlarged during the following 3 months. There was no history nor skin changes suggestive of significant sun exposure. The histological examination of an initial biopsy and of the subsequently excised lesion revealed a basal cell carcinoma of the solid type.”

        #Cancer #Smallpox #Vaccine


        [Cancer on a smallpox vaccination scar].

        “A 52 year old housewife was vaccinated against smallpox at the age of 18, on her right deltoid area. At the age of 50 she noticed erythema and scaling on the vaccination scar and 2 years later a nodule appear that enlarged during the following 3 months. There was no history nor skin changes suggestive of significant sun exposure. The histological examination of an initial biopsy and of the subsequently excised lesion revealed a basal cell carcinoma of the solid type.”

        #Cancer #Smallpox #Dermatological
        #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        Cancer risk associated with simian virus 40 contaminated polio vaccine.

        #Polio #Contamination #SV40
        #Simian #Virus #Cancer
        #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        🛑 Cervical cancers after human papillomavirus vaccination.

        #Gardasil #Cancer #Vaccine


        🛑 Childhood cancer, intramuscular vitamin K, and pethidine given during labour.

        “…but there was a significant association (p = 0.002) with intramuscular vitamin K (odds ratio 1.97, 95% confidence interval 1.3 to 3.0) when compared with oral vitamin K or no vitamin K. There was no significantly increased risk for children who had been given oral vitamin K when compared with no vitamin K (odds ratio 1.15, 95% confidence interval 0.5 to 2.7). These results could not be accounted for by other factors associated with administration of intramuscular vitamin K, such as type of delivery or admission to a special care baby unit.”

        “The only two studies so far to have examined the relation between childhood cancer and intramuscular vitamin K have shown similar results, and the relation is biologically plausible. The prophylactic benefits against haemorrhagic disease are unlikely to exceed the potential adverse effects from intramuscular vitamin K. Since oral vitamin K has major benefits but no obvious adverse effects this could be the prophylaxis of choice.”

        #Cancer #Vitamin #K #MedScienceResearch


        Endogenous retroviruses as potential hazards for vaccines.

        “Retroviruses are classified as exogenous or endogenous according to their mode of transmission. Generally, endogenous retroviruses (ERVs) are not pathogenic in their original hosts; however, some ERVs induce diseases. In humans, a novel gammaretrovirus was discovered in patients with prostate cancer or chronic fatigue syndrome. This virus was closely related to xenotropic murine leukemia virus (X-MLV) and designated as xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV). The origin and transmission route of XMRV are still unknown at present; however, XMRV may be derived from ERVs of rodents because X-MLVs are ERVs of inbred and wild mice. Many live attenuated vaccines for animals are manufactured by using cell lines from animals, which are known to produce infectious ERVs; however, the risks of infection by ERVs from xenospecies through vaccination have been ignored. This brief review gives an overview of ERVs in cats, the potential risks of ERV infection by vaccination, the biological characteristics of RD-114 virus (a feline ERV), which possibly contaminates vaccines for companion animals, and the methods for detection of infectious RD-114 virus.

        2010 The International Association for Biologicals. Published by Elsevier Ltd. All rights reserved.”

        #Contamination #Vaccine #XMRV
        #Cancer #Chronic #Fatigue #Syndrome #Veterinary


        Epidemiological characteristics of childhood acute lymphocytic leukemia. Analysis by immunophenotype. The Childrens Cancer Group.

        “Factors with elevated and/or significant ORs included: (i) for common ALL (n = 286): Down syndrome; family history (FH) of bone/joint diseases; postnatal jaundice; birthweight; MMR vaccination;…”

        “While a number of epidemiological studies of childhood acute lymphocytic leukemia (ALL) have been conducted, separate analysis of risk factors for ALL subtypes has generally not been possible. We report the results of an analysis of data obtained from parents of children with ALL (and a control group of children without cancer), linked to a clinical database. Cases were classified into four ALL subtypes, and odds ratios (OR) were determined for each subtype for a broad range of factors. Numerous significant associations were found, some across all subtypes and others that were subtype-specific. Factors with elevated and/or significant ORs included: (i) for common ALL (n = 286): Down syndrome; family history (FH) of bone/joint diseases; postnatal jaundice; birthweight; MMR vaccination; exposure to gases and insecticides; and parental occupational exposure to insecticides. (ii) for pre-B ALL (n = 38): FH of gastrointestinal, hematological or bone/joint diseases, or allergy; cat ownership; exposure to solvents, fumes, petroleum products, cleaning agents and farm animals; and parental exposure to farm animals, fumes and solvents; (iii) for T-cell ALL (n = 158): FH of gastrointestinal disorders, maternal age, male gender, and parental occupational exposure to metals; (iv) for null-cell ALL (n = 65): FH of congenital heart disorders; measles; and parental occupational exposure to fumes, metals or solvents. This analysis should be considered as a hypothesis-generating process for future case-control interview studies.”

        #MMR #Leukemia #Cancer #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        Extranodal MALT Lymphoma of the Right Triceps Muscle following Influenza Vaccine Injection: A Rare Case with an Interesting Presentation.

        #Cancer #Influenza #Flu #Vaccine #Musculoskeletal #MedScienceResearch


        Heterogeneity of the tumorigenic phenotype expressed by Madin-Darby canine kidney cells.

        “The results revealed lot-to-lot variations in the tumorigenicity of MDCK cells, which were reflected by their tumor-inducing efficiency (threshold cell dose represented by mean tumor-producing dose; log(10) 50% endpoints of 5.2 for vial 1 and 4.4 for vial 2, and a tumor-producing dose of 5.8 for vial 3) and mean tumor latency (vial 1,6.6 wk; vial 2,2.9 wk; and vial 3,3.8 wk). These studies provide a reference for further characterization of the MDCK cell neoplastic phenotype and may be useful in delineating aspects of neoplastic development in vitro that determine tumor-forming capacity. Such data also are useful when considering MDCK cells as a reagent for vaccine manufacture.

        Copyright 2011 by the American Association for Laboratory Animal Science”

        #Cancer #Tumorigenic #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        A High-Temperature, High-Throughput Method for Monitoring Residual Formaldehyde in Vaccine Formulations.

        “Formaldehyde is diluted during the vaccine manufacturing process, but residual quantities of formaldehyde are still present in some current vaccines. Although formaldehyde is considered safe for use in vaccines by the Food and Drug Administration, excessive exposure to this chemical may lead to cancer or other health-related issues.”

        #Cancer #Vaccine #Formaldehyde


        HPV-negative Gastric Type Adenocarcinoma In Situ of the Cervix: A Spectrum of Rare Lesions Exhibiting Gastric and Intestinal Differentiation.

        “The introduction of HPV vaccination will result in a relative increase in incidence of premalignant and malignant cervical glandular lesions exhibiting gastric differentiation and these will not be detected by HPV-based screening programs.”

        #Cancer #Gardasil #HPV #Vaccine


        Injection Site Lichenoid Dermatitis Following Pneumococcal Vaccination: Report and Review of Cutaneous Conditions Occurring at Vaccination Sites.

        “Basal cell carcinoma and squamous cell carcinoma are the most common vaccination site-associated malignancies; however, melanoma and sarcomas (dermatofibrosarcoma protuberans, fibrosarcoma, and malignant fibrous histiocytoma) are also smallpox vaccine-related site neoplasms.”

        #Dermatological #Cancer #Pneumococcal #Smallpox #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        🛑 [Lymphoma of the thyroid in a patient with autoimmune thyroiditis and Sjögren’s syndrome–case report].

        “As many years of immunisation may lead to carcinogenesis it is important to raise awareness among medical staff with regard to cases of chronic autoimmune disease.”

        #Cancer #Thyroid #Death #Vaccine #Hashimoto’s #Autoimmunity #MedScienceResearch


        Malignant change in smallpox vaccination scars.

        “Seven cases of patients who had malignant change in smallpox vaccination scars have been previously published. This report is the eighth such case. The patient developed a pigmented basal-cell epithelioma in a vaccination scar 20 years after vaccination. Histological examination revealed a superficial basal-cell epithelioma.”

        #Cancer #Smallpox #Dermatological #Vaccine


        Malignant Tumors as a Late Complication of Vaccination

        “Four basal and one squamous cell carcinomas and a single instance of a malignant melanoma arising in vaccination scars have occurred in five southern California patients. Sun exposure on a previously scarred skin was the main etiological factor in the development of the basal and squamous cell tumors. Sun exposure was probably unimportant in the case of the melanoma because of the short time interval between vaccination and the development of the tumor.”

        #Cancer #Smallpox #Dermatological #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        Malignant tumors in smallpox vaccination scars: a report of 24 cases.

        “A study of 24 patients with proved malignant tumors originating in smallpox vaccination scars is reported. Three different tumor types were found—malignant melanomas, basal cell carcinomas, and squamous cell carcinomas. There was no exposure to known chemical carcinogens. In most cases a primary vaccination site was involved. The period of time between the vaccination and appearance of the malignant tumor was highly variable. Twenty-three of the patients were from various regions of the United States and one from the Republic of South Africa. Two patients presented tumors in vaccination sites bilaterally.

        The possible role of vaccinia virus in the present cases is unknown and difficult to conceive. However, it is suggested that additional clinical, epidemiological, and laboratory studies should be made to determine the role, if any, of vaccinia virus in the development of malignant tumors in man.”

        #Cancer #Smallpox #Vaccine


        Mumps and ovarian cancer: modern interpretation of an historic association

        #Mumps #Ovarian #Cancer #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        🛑 Observations on vitamin K deficiency in the fetus and newborn: has nature made a mistake?

        “This protective effect of low K1 levels is particularly important in the presence of the high mitotic rates and rapid cell turnover in the avian embryo and mammalian fetus.”

        “…K1 supplementation increases BP induced tumor formation in mice.”

        #Vitamin K #Cancer #MedScienceResearch


        Of Mice and Men: On the Origin of XMRV.

        “The novel human retrovirus xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV) is arguably the most controversial virus of this moment. After its original discovery in prostate cancer tissue from North American patients, it was subsequently detected in individuals with chronic fatigue syndrome from the same continent. However, most other research groups, mainly from Europe, reported negative results. The positive results could possibly be attributed to contamination with mouse products in a number of cases, as XMRV is nearly identical in nucleotide sequence to endogenous retroviruses in the mouse genome. But the detection of integrated XMRV proviruses in prostate cancer tissue proves it to be a genuine virus that replicates in human cells, leaving the question: how did XMRV enter the human population? We will discuss two possible routes: either via direct virus transmission from mouse to human, as repeatedly seen for, e.g., Hantaviruses, or via the use of mouse-related products by humans, including vaccines. We hypothesize that mouse cells or human cell lines used for vaccine production could have been contaminated with a replicating variant of the XMRV precursors encoded by the mouse genome.”

        #Contamination #XMRV #Cancer #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        🛑 Oral polio vaccine and human cancer: a reassessment of SV40 as a contaminant based upon legal documents.

        “The confirmation of the removal by one drug manufacturer, Lederle, has been made public at an international symposium in January 1997, where its representatives stated that all of Lederle’s seeds had been tested and screened to assure that it was free from SV40 virus. However, in litigation involving the Lederle oral polio vaccine, the manufacturer’s internal documents failed to reveal such removal in all of the seeds. The absence of confirmatory testing of the seeds, as well as testimony of a Lederle manager, indicate that this claim of removal of SV40 and the testing for SV40 in all the seeds cannot be fully substantiated. These legal documents and testimony indicate that the scientific community should not be content with prior assumptions that SV40 could not have been in the oral polio vaccine.”

        #Cancer #Contamination #Polio #SV40 #Corruption #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        🛑 Oral versus intramuscular phytomenadione: safety and efficacy compared.

        “Oral and intramuscular phytomenadione (vitamin K1) prophylaxis became an issue following the report of a potential carcinogenic effect of intramuscular but not oral phytomenadione prophylaxis. There is increasing evidence, however, that oral phytomenadione prophylaxis is less effective for the prevention of late vitamin K deficiency bleeding (VKDB) than intramuscular prophylaxis. Following a report of an increased cancer risk after intramuscular phytomenadione, a series of papers on this issue appeared. Although an increased risk for solid tumours could almost certainly be excluded, a potential risk for acute lymphatic leukaemia in childhood could not be ruled out definitively. Almost all cases of late VKDB are preventable with intramuscular phytomenadione prophylaxis administered once at birth, whereas a single oral dose given at birth is much less effective. Repeated oral phytomenadione doses given to breast-fed infants either weekly (1 mg) or daily (25 microg) seem to be as effective as intramuscular phytomenadione prophylaxis. The efficacy of 3 oral 2mg doses with the new mixed micellar preparation (‘Konakion MM’) remains to be established. Although a number of studies have failed to confirm a cancer risk with phytomenadione, these studies have been unable to rule out a risk definitely because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. A meta-analysis of the available studies might provide 95% confidence intervals narrow enough to exclude even a small cancer risk with some certainty. Oral prophylaxis will probably be as safe as the intramuscular prophylaxis if given daily (25 microg) or weekly (1 mg).”

        #Vitamin #K #Cancer #Leukemia #MedScienceResearch


        🛑 Polio, hepatitis B and AIDS: an integrative theory on a possible vaccine induced pandemic.

        “The hypothesis that simian virus 40 (SV40) infected polio vaccines may be linked to the evolution of acquired immunodeficiency disorder (AIDS), and certain cancers, has been advanced. Most recently, investigators discussed the likelihood of gene-reshuffling following SV40 infection as a precursor to acquired immune dysfunction. Findings of recent SV40 infections in four children born after 1982 suggest infections were transmitted vertically along gene lines. Earlier observations proved activation of a retrovirus gene by a hepatitis B virus (HBV) protein. This paper proposes a new integrative theory on the origin of AIDS. It advances the possibility of genetic recombinations with oncogene activation by HBV involving simian viruses that likely infected polio vaccinated blood donors to the initial hepatitis B (HB) vaccine trials conducted on gay men in New York City and Ugandan Blacks in the early to mid-1970s. The socio-economic and even military ramifications associated with this politically challenging thesis are discussed.”

        #HIV #Hepatitis B #Polio #SV40 #AIDS #Contamination #Vaccine #Cancer #MedScienceResearch


        Full article here-

        [Squamous cell carcinoma in ulcer after bacille Calmette-Guérin vaccination].

        “Marjolin’s ulcer is an aggressive squamous cell carcinoma (SCC) found in chronically inflamed skin. SCC has been reported in smallpox vaccination sites, whereas basal cell carcinomas are more common in scar after bacille Calmette-Guérin (BCG) vaccination. A 72-year-old man presented with a chronic ulcer at the site of his childhood BCG vaccination.”

        #Cancer #BCG #Dermatological #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch


        🛑 Systematically experimental investigation on carcinogenesis or tumorigenicity of VERO cell lines of different karyotypes in nude mice in vivo used for viral vaccine manufacture.

        “Many cell lines used for vaccine production have a potentially strong tumorigenic character.”

        #Tumorigenic #Cancer #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch #VERO


        Tumorigenicity of Vero cells.

        “They were derived from African green monkey kidney, and their growth properties and culture characteristics have many advantages over other cell substrates for use in vaccine production. We have tested Vero cells for tumorigenicity in nude mice and in a human muscle organ culture system, and found a significant increase in their tumorigenic potential with increasing passage numbers.”

        #Cancer #Tumorigenic #Vaccine #MedScienceResearch #Vero


        “The American Veterinary Medical Association Feline Sarcoma Task Force initiated several studies to find out why 160,000 cats each year in the U.S.A. developed terminal cancer at their vaccine injection sites. The fact that cats can get vaccine induced cancer is acknowledged by veterinary bodies around the world…What do you imagine was the advice of the AVMA Task Force… ‘Carry on vaccinating’ … In America to mitigate the problem, they’re vaccinating cats in the tail or leg so that they can amputate when cancer appears… Great advice if it’s not your cat…” ‘Science Behind Vaccine Damage’ by Catherine O’Driscoll, 2/24/09

        Studies on Vaccines, Cancer and Natural Infections:

        Albonico et al found that adults are significantly protected against non-breast cancers — genital, prostate, gastrointestinal, skin, lung, ear-nose-throat, and others — if they contracted measles (odds ratio, OR = 0.45), rubella (OR = 0.38) or chickenpox (OR = 0.62) earlier in life. [Med Hypotheses 1998; 51(4): 315-20].

        Montella et al found that contracting measles in childhood reduces the risk of developing lymphatic cancer in adulthood [Leuk Res 2006; 30(8): 917-22].

        Alexander et al found that infection with measles during childhood is significantly protective — it cuts the risk in half — against developing Hodgkin’s disease (OR = 0.53) [Br J Cancer 2000; 82(5): 1117-21].

        Glaser et al also found that lymph cancer is significantly more likely in adults who were not infected with measles, mumps or rubella in childhood [In J Cancer 2005; 115(4): 599-605].

        Gilham et al found that infants with the least exposure to common infections have the greatest risk of developing childhood leukemia [BMJ 2005; 330: 1294].

        Urayama et al also found that early exposure to infections is protective against leukemia [Int J Cancer 2011; 128(7): 1632

        A mumps infection — but not mumps vaccination — protects women against ovarian cancer.

        Women with prior infections of mumps, measles, rubella or chickenpox were significantly less likely to develop ovarian cancer.

        Adults with previous infections of influenza, measles, mumps or chickenpox are less likely to develop malignant melanoma.

        A history of chickenpox is significantly protective against the risk of developing a brain tumor.

        Childhood diseases experienced early in life protect against many different types of cancer later in life.

        Measles and other childhood infections protect against cancer of the lymph system.

        Early exposure to infectious disease significantly reduces the risk of childhood leukemia.

        MMR vaccination increases the risk of childhood leukemia.

    • Geraldine May says:

      The cervical cancer rate among Danish girls/women who were given the HPV vaccine has actually increased.

  32. sally says:

    I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Parents like you who share and wont shut up. Because of peoplr like you I listrned to my gut that told me no vaccines at ny daughters 2 month appointment (she had already had 2 hep b shots – which in restrospect caused damage). Then I researched. My second daugter no shots at all. you saved my children. None of us should be quiet. Thete is too much at stake. We need to save every one we can. at least plant the questions… raise awareness. Give others courage with our voices, our momentum.

    • John Collins says:

      Just hope your kids don’t get vaccine preventable disease. It still exists.

      • Crush says:

        The mentality of all or nothing is a problem. It isn’t as simple as if you don’t vaccinate you will die of some disease or if you get vaccinated you will have some adverse reaction. It’s just not the facts. Nobody wants anyone to be harmed from a disease nor a vaccine. Nobody wants anyone to die. Neither is okay. But right now the conversation is being shifted so far to the “everything is fine” narrative that it is detrimental to those who aren’t just “fine”. And that is a lot of us. There are real concerns and questions not being addressed, and that should concern the most pro-vaccine people far more than someone like myself who will never vaccinate my child again. Despite what is portrayed, it is the “hesitant” who are the ones demanding we do better, not the ones trying to convince the world it is okay to sacrifice some (or many). Real conversation is desperately needed so we do better for all.

      • Becky Johnson says:

        Start seeing vaccine-injuries.

  33. Stacey says:

    Thank you. My son is a child who was injured by vaccines. I do not know what the future holds for him as an adult.

  34. Cherie says:

    Thankyou. You put into words exactly how I feel and the situation we are in.

    • John Collins says:

      Not exactly. Most people who are immunized, whether by vaccination or other means, DON’T get the disease. For that matter, depending on the disease, most people immunized or not, in the US don’t get the disease. Vaccination has different rates of protection. Anent the flu, that changes year yo year as the organism changes. Most people who get measles, mumps, rubella, etc. AREN’T immunized.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        I think the point was that NO ONE who gets the diseases has been “immunized,” whether they were vaccinated or not. Vaccine-induced “immunity” is fundamentally different from naturally induced immunity, and that is why many choose to avoid use of the word “immunization” as a synonym of “vaccination.”

      • Kathleen Donnelly says:

        John Collins, I don’t think you are correct there, I have experience of vaccinated children getting measles. A reaction after the injection and then a few months after that contracting measles…No more measles vaccines for them.. I am glad the UK don’t have the amount of vaccines the US have..Unfortunately if we don’t ask questions it will go the same way.

      • Nanna delacour says:

        I’ve had the measles, mumps, rubella and whooping cough and I was vaccinated for it all.
        I’ve met many many people where this was in fact the case.
        Do you have a answer for this?
        It seems it isnt “one size fits all”
        We need to ask questions instead of posting statements.

      • John Collins says:

        Everyone has a different immune system, with varying responses to antigenic challenges. Not everyone develops full immunity after vaccination. This has been studied extensively with hepatitis B vaccination, but also with others. Again, most people, vaccinated or not, WON’T get vaccine preventable disease. If you want to roll the dice, fine, but expect to be excoriated if something happens to your kid, include a lifetime of guilt.

        Really, though, don’t you think if the prevalence of vaccine associated reaction was as high as many on this blog seem to believe, the information wouldn’t be suppressed. Of course, some practice cognitive dissonance and believe bald-faced lies from politicians and others.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Do we think “the information wouldn’t be suppressed”? Meaning that “of course, it’s suppressed”? Your question is more than a little confusing. “Vaccine-associated reaction” is indeed QUITE high, but as many of the consequences involve long-term immune alteration and do not appear immediately it is quite easy to pretend they don’t exist if you don’t look for them.


        “Preliminary data were collected from June 2006 through October 2009 on 715,000 patients. A total of 1.4 million vaccine doses (of 45 different vaccines) were given to 376,452 individuals. Of these doses, 35,570 possible reactions (2.6 percent of vaccinations) were identified. This is an average of 1.3 events per clinician per month. The team concluded that it is possible to automatically detect adverse events in defined ways, and to electronically report them to VAERS. Decision support functions can be repurposed, so that in addition to detecting reportable diseases, they can detect events that are related to vaccination, as potential vaccine adverse events.”

        You might be surprised to know that when this high rate of adverse events was detected, the CDC dropped all contact with the study authors, who had been led to believe they would be implementing the automated tracking of adverse events. The CDC didn’t want to know who or how many were getting hurt.

      • Rebekah says:

        Exactly, Mr. Collins! “Of course, some practice cognitive dissonance and believe bald-faced lies from politicians and others.” THis is exactly what we who are skeptical of all the crap they want to inject us with, have been saying for years! Thank you for making the point so eloquently.

      • Angel says:

        The thing about the flu vaccine is the theory that even if you get the flu that isn’t in the vaccine you only suffer mildly which means one shot should confer some immunity for a few years instead of annual shots, but studies have shown that successive yearly shots makes symptoms more serious if you actually do catch the flu.

  35. Brittany says:

    United we stand! Thank you for sharing this worthy read. I will share and pray at least one person reads it and finds it in their heart to share it as well. This crusade is exhausting, but so many lives depend upon it. We’ll fight to the death when it comes to our children!

  36. Hillary says:

    YES. THIS.❤️✊

  37. Sigmund Freud says:

    Based on your vast experience, as described above, what is the incidence and prevalence of vaccine related adverse effects? Obviously, the correct numbers are being suppressed by the powers that be, so it would be helpful to have the real fig. Thanks in advance.

    • Crush says:

      I don’t know about suppressed, but certainly unknown. Unfortunately this is a subject that we would LOVE addressed. Accurate data would be a start. It seemed that was maybe a possibility until the “independent” program was scrapped, but it wasn’t looking as harmless as we have been told. Hopefully one day we can have these real conversations since we deserve accurate risks vs benefits.

    • David Lightman says:

      From a post just above by ProfessorTMR:

      There is an incredibly high percentage of vaccine reactions – about 2.6%. And that doesn’t include many issues that are undetected until much later like severe nut allergy, learning delays and disabilities, more subtle or slow onset neurological conditions, and a host of auto-immune conditions.


      “Preliminary data were collected from June 2006 through October 2009 on 715,000 patients. A total of 1.4 million vaccine doses (of 45 different vaccines) were given to 376,452 individuals. Of these doses, 35,570 possible reactions (2.6 percent of vaccinations) were identified. This is an average of 1.3 events per clinician per month. The team concluded that it is possible to automatically detect adverse events in defined ways, and to electronically report them to VAERS. Decision support functions can be repurposed, so that in addition to detecting reportable diseases, they can detect events that are related to vaccination, as potential vaccine adverse events.”

      You might be surprised to know that when this high rate of adverse events was detected, the CDC dropped all contact with the study authors, who had been led to believe they would be implementing the automated tracking of adverse events. The CDC didn’t want to know who or how many were getting hurt.

  38. Sharon S Angelina says:

    Thank you. I’m sharing this on Facebook. I’ve endured the hatred for some time as well, but not with a damaged child. Thank you for speaking out, even after the exhaustion of all you’ve endured. Bless you, your family, and your precious child.

  39. Karin Schuetze says:

    Thank you for saying many of the things that I’ve been thinking – and saying it so well! My son was vaccine injured as well and I can relate. It’s hard and I’m sorry and sad it happened to your child too. It’s the hate that I feel lately, like you do, that is overwhelming. It’s not as if a parent with a vaccine injured loved one had enough to handle each day, but the “hate messages” just add a heavy deflated feeling to an already overloaded day. It’s not right. I worry about the babies in the future since the majority of our society isn’t listening to the parents who are saying “my loved one was injured.” Instead of seeking answers as to why people were injured, they are just tossed aside as collateral damage. There could be a win-win out there if the general public would just listen and act, instead of bullying and hating. Thank you for your words. I hope our message gets heard.

  40. Leigh Ann Barnett says:

    Well said. You and your family have been through enough, and I would guess that everyone subscribing to this site, has their own story to share, and has been through ENOUGH! Wishing you and your family a happy ending.

  41. Katreena says:

    I’m so sorry for all you have endured. May God bring you peace and grace for your days. ❤❤

  42. Kathy says:

    I am ugly crying in the library, and pumping my fist in solidarity. BOOM, sister. BOOM. This piece is a masterpiece and you are a virtuoso!

  43. Andrea says:

    I don’t care that people hate me because I take a stance. I don’t care that I am not going along with the dogma. So much dogma, so much cognitive dissonance, so much ignorance, narcissism, and entitlement. I meet soon to be parents and they tell me your a conspiracy theorist. So I come back to them with a piece of paper and on it I write where they can go to read the science to make an informed decision. I tell them that the doctors will not do this for you, I tell them I left doing what I thought I was going to do as a career because I knew something was very wrong. I tell them exactly how the injury happens. I am in the same boat as the writer here. Exactly the same boat. So far I have saved two kids. The more babies and kids that can be saved from this, the happier I am. I don’t care how messed up there parents are, I don’t care what background they are from. I just want this corporate run USA to change by waking people up and pulling there heads out of there assess and show them that love ……….love of mankind and love of the planet is what is going to make this world better……..Not the worship of money and dogma systems.

    • S Hickey says:

      Andrea please would you be able to share what you write down on that piece of paper for Moms to be? Sorry for what you have been/are going through.

  44. Suzanne Spears says:

    My heart goes out to you. My son was mercury injured from a mercury filling that was put in his mouth without our consent or knowledge so I feel your pain. He reacted to every vaccine as a child and every time I called the doctor’s office they told me his reaction wasn’t enough to qualify for reporting. The future for our children is getting very ugly. We cannot continue to dump poisons in them and expect they’ll be well.

  45. Anon says:

    I have seen, in the news, an “outbreak” of two or three cases of measles, and they call it an “emergency”….HUH? It seems to me they put it on same level as Ebola. I have seen what I wondered were made up news/headlines such as “18 die from measles in Ukraine”—-I did read that and did wonder why (prior malnutritition/prior exposure to war chemicals/radiation/etc)…I searched Ukraine news to see what sort of area these “18 dead from measles” covered. I searched many many Ukraine news sights. I could not find one report of measles, or one report of concern over measles or one report of death due to measles in Ukraine. Interesting.

    Stick to your guns. We all will try to.

    What concerns me, is I see more and more news headlines that a state or province is considering making it mandatory for the entire population of that state or province. Scary. What interests me, is over the yrs, if I get a Doctor or Nurse off on their own (where no one can overhear), and ask them about vaccines -flue/chickenpox/HPV/measles etc…..the MAJORITY of the time (ninety per cent) they will dart their head around and say…mmmm…well…I didn’t get them.

    Enough said. I would venture they have seen the “results”.

    • John Collins says:

      The number of cases of measles is several orders of magnitude more than two or three.

      • Mel says:

        Peopel can recover from the measles. You can’t recover from a vaccine injury.

      • John Collinsnot those says:

        Not those who die from measles or have permanent injuries from measles.

        The earlier comment was not to disparage the poster but to explore latency as a response within hours is often a different mechanism than days weeks or month. No malice intended.

      • Clépétar says:

        According to the WHO: « Severe measles is more likely among poorly nourished young children, especially those with insufficient vitamin A, or whose immune systems have been weakened by HIV/AIDS or other diseases. (…) The overwhelming majority (more than 95%) of measles deaths occur in countries with low per capita incomes and weak health infrastructures.» http://www.who.int/immunization/diseases/measles/en/

    • Sigmund Freud says:

      I contacted a number of pediatric and emergency physicians; none had ever seen any of the serious reactions described as commonly occurring. None. Every physician I know immunized his/her kids. Every one. And I know a lot of physicians. Nurses, nurse practitioners- a different population.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Most pediatric and emergency physicians wouldn’t know a vaccine reaction if it was right in front of them. I’ve heard countless stories of parents with children in the ER with a textbook case of encephalopathy and when the parent suggested the encephalopathy might be related to the vaccines the child had received earlier in the day or the day before, the physician said, “No way. Vaccines had nothing to do with this.” Yet, encephalopathy is such a well-documented vaccine injury it’s ON THE VACCINE INJURY TABLE for the two most commonly dispensed childhood vaccines: DTaP and MMR.


      • Sigmund Freud says:

        If you think pediatric and emergency physicians are so misinformed and incapable of making diagnoses about serious medical conditions, you are getting your information from the circular maw of “Dr. Google”. Your statement reflects such a significant level of misunderstanding that it is appalling. If there is a physician (not a chiropractor, naturopath, etc.) that you trust, ask him or her who would be the most trusted person to call for medical help at 3AM, on a weekend. It’s an emergency physician. Who does EVERY specialist trust to manage a sick patient initially? The Emergency Department. If your distrust is so great, well, by all means rely on your essential oils, alternative medicine provider, and whatever other information you can dig up on the Internet.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the United States. Do I distrust emergency departments? You’d bet I do because I’d be a fool not to, as would you. Where do you think those medical errors are happening? Quite a few of my family members have worked in emergency departments. They’d be happy to tell you about the tremendous number of mistakes that happen there. Does that mean that emergency room visits are never necessary? Of course not, but you’d do best to keep your wits about you.

      • John Collins says:

        Encephalopathy is such a dramatic entity that it strains credulity to believe it is unrecognized. One shouldn’t expect an emergency physician to diagnose the CAUSE of encephalopathy, but rather to recognize that it needs further evaluation. I’m sorry if you felt that someone excluded vaccination as a cause without additional study; that wouldn’t be appropriate.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        Yeah, well you’d be surprised how much doctors say that “strains credulity.” I didn’t “feel” “someone” “excluded vaccination as a cause without additional study.” I declared that I have heard HUNDREDS of parents say that medical personnel (usually several per incident) did exactly that with their sick children. It’s not rare.

        Read the following if you still think doctors missing the obvious “strains credulity”: https://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/shit-mainstream-pediatricians-say/.

      • Sigmund Freud says:

        Well, a survey done on a medical website reported no one had seen a serious vaccine reaction. Not saying they don’t occur, only that a population of physicians hadn’t seen one.

      • Mel says:

        Bill Gates didn’t immunize his kids.

      • ProfessorTMR says:

        I have never seen any evidence of that. Do you have a link?

  46. Lea says:

    This is beautifully said, though tragic. Thank you❤️
    My issue is, none of my kids were injured, none were ever vaccinated. I actually don’t know anyone personally who was, though I believe the thousands of stories I’ve read. But, I just never believed in vaccinations, so I studied, I researched. Now I know why. But I wish, oh how I wish it wasn’t your sweet child that proves the point.

    • John Collins says:

      Lea – hope your kids don’t get a vaccine preventable disease.

      • MamaBear says:

        I’m glad her kids won’t get a preventable vaccine induced injury.

      • Natalie says:

        Wow, John, why are you trolling parents of vaccine injured children on a post about the impact of hatred towards people warning others about their children’s vaccine injuries? Despicable behaviour.

      • John Collins says:

        Not trolling, only asking questions to learn more.

      • Marino says:

        Your comment to Lea wasn’t a question. You defend your position but don’t seem open to anyone else’s. Read what the author links and then come back with real questions, not “questions” designed to bolster your unwavering belief in vaccines.

      • Natalie says:

        For someone who is not trolling you are all over these posts like an insidious rash. For someone who wants to ‘learn’ you are doing a lot of talking and not a great deal of listening, and your comments border on threatening (“if your kid or other kids get sick you should expect consequences”) and downright dismissive. You are the kind of person the post was about, you are a horrible person, go away.

      • Sigmund Freud says:

        If your child gets sick, there may well be consequences – like complications from being sick. Biology.

      • Mel says:

        If Lea’s kids get a so-called vaccine-preventable disease, they will likely make a full and speedy recovery, never having had their immune systems compromises by vaccines.

      • lihe says:

        “Not trolling, only asking questions to learn more.” That wasn’t a question. It was a thinly-veiled snotty statement of judgment.

    • Jennifer Power says:

      I also have children unvaccinated with completely intact immune systems that ramp up when they get sick, wipe out the invaders and stay ever vigilant.

      I feel blessed that I listened to my instincts and then to the many, many mothers who came before me. I am in awe of the strength of women like The Thinking Moms. I still read and research every day because I am educating my teens about the uselessness of vaccines and about the vaccine cartel. They are bright kids who see their fully-vaccinated friends (and friends’ siblings) who are chronically ill with allergies, seizures, tumours… and with just general poor health overall. They get it.

      Thank you, Crush, and all of TMR, for telling your stories and for fighting for your kids. You and your kids are true heroes.


      • John Collins says:

        Vaccines aren’t useless. Really not. Some people associate harm afterward, but the vast majority don’t get a disease, or a reduced form accordingly. Anyone recently see polio, smallpox, rubella, etc. in immunized populations in the US?

        If you don’t want to get vaccinated, don’t. But if your kid gets sick, or gets someone else’s kid to get sick, expect consequences.

      • Jennifer Power says:

        Hi John,

        You missed the part that says my kids do get sick but their fully functioning immune systems make short work of any illness.

        A fully vaccinated child had pertussis 2 years running and my unvaccinated children DID NOT catch it although they were in close proximity (in a car) several times a week. The sick child’s doctor mis-diagnosed it the first year and was too slow to catch it the second year. How come the doctor didn’t know his stuff? He had no answer either. Crazy that.

      • Jeri says:

        No, John Collins, you’re not asking questions to learn more. All 3 of your questions have been rhetorical.

        “But if your kid gets sick, or gets someone else’s kid to get sick, expect consequences.” – John Collins

        The herd immunity ‘theory’ is really a huge devious lie targeted to the same ignorant sheeple that believe everything else that’s told to them by their doctor, media and government agency gods. I know the plan. Then they’ll ignorantly hate pro-vaccine choice thinkers and vaccine victims and this will ultimately be the nail in the coffin for parental choice. Stop with the ludicrous arguments. These are ‘vaccine-preventable diseases’ but only if the herd is vaccinated?

        These ignorant sheeple are taking part in the implosion of our society as these vaccine victimization rates along with many other corporate and government corruption cases that are crippling families continue to rise. Greed for money and power will ALWAYS end in destruction and our nation is full of these monsters. Down with corporate socialism!

        John Collins, if my kid has a reaction to a forced vaccination, expect consequences. It’s time for the tables to turn.

  47. Nancy G says:

    Best Thing Ever!!!

    Amen a Million Times.

    4 Kids Adopted, All ended up with special needs. Over 30 dx. Most severe 24, going on two, non-verbal, diapers and sleeps in our room for his safety. Brain full of aluminum at 2 yrs.

    You NAILED it Mama!

  48. Amanda says:

    As a mom who also followed the schedule and had a son who was damaged by a vaccine, thank you for writing this.

    • John Collins says:

      Amanda – what vaccine, what damage, and what was the time interval between vaccination and onset of symptoms? Thanks

      • Mel says:

        Cuz it didn’t really happen if John Collins thinks it didn’t happen.

      • John Collins says:

        Not at all, Mel. Something that occurs in minutes or hours is a different mechanism than something that occurs in days, weeks, months, or even years. Anaphylactic response versus delayed inflammation. Hope you’re not totally negating science.

      • Natalie says:

        Sorry John, the ‘science’ is against you on this one. Vaccine givers are advised vaccine reactions can occur up to 28 days after administration. Not ‘hour’, as you’d like to believe.

      • Sigmund Freud says:

        Maybe they can occur up to 28 days, or longer, but something may happen in hours, as many report.

      • Cori P says:

        Why is that any of your business? How much are you being paid to question parents on their children’s vaccine injuries? And if you are such a pro-vaxxer, why are you here? You aren’t going to convince any of us who have experienced first hand what Vaccines can do to children, that we are wrong. My guess is you don’t even have kids.

      • John Collins says:

        Well, I have three kids, a master’s in epidemiology, and an interest in science, not anecdotal information. Don’t underswhy you’re so hostile to someone trying to gather objective information.

      • John Collins says:

        Cori – I’m not being paid by anybody. I am asking out of scientific interest. Why does it seem necessary to “challenge” anyone who makes a reasonable request, in the hope of better understanding. I understand that you, and others, may have been mistreated by physicians, and others, but I am not questioning your beliefs or motivation; only concerned about why something appears to be associated with something else (causality, temporality), and other relationships.

      • Karin Schuetze says:

        In my son’s situation, the fever and rash manifested fairly quickly after the vaccinations. He was very sick (very high fever which didn’t want to come down even with ibuprofen and tylenol and rash) after the MMR and DTaP and there was never a “full recovery”. The initial illness lasted a few weeks and then the regression was already in place. He started to lose language, started spinning objects and doing repetitive tasks, he became sensitive to foods almost overnight. Yes – it in some people adverse reactions occur. Maybe instead of trying debate whether vaccines are safe or not, a more productive thing to do would be to acknowledge that parents who witnessed their children regress are in their right and sane mind, and try to figure out why there are people in the population that are vulnerable to injury and do something about it! Many in society are in denial of this fact and because of that, more and more people will continue to have injury. Yes, some lives might be saved by the vaccines, but why is our society ok with “collateral damage”? I’m not. With technology and medical science progressing the way it is, we should be able to figure this out and do something about it!

  49. Brett Wilcox says:

    Stated so well.
    Thank you!

  50. Laurel says:

    I can’t even imagine the heartache. But I do know people who have children that are vaccine damaged. I’m going to pray that you would have God’s peace in the midst of this. I just don’t understand the vitriol from those that think everyone ought to be faxed for everything.

  51. John Collins says:

    Sorry for what you and your child are going through and have experienced. Whether it was from vaccines, environment, bad luck, genes, whatever, it is very sad. Life isn’t always fair. Based on your experience, I wouldn’t get your child immunized in the future. Bad things happen to good people.

    • ProfessorTMR says:

      Indeed they do.

    • suzy says:

      Vaccination is NOT immunization, so please do not use the terms interchangeably. If vaccination was immunization, not one vaccinated person would ever get the disease for which they were vaccinated, and we know that’s not the case, as a majority of people who get these diseases are vaccinated. They also get numerous diseases for which they were NOT vaccinated, diseases which the unvaccinated do not get nearly as much. Nor would any vaccinated person care one bit who else is not vaccinated because it would not affect those who are. Think about it.

      • Father/Discerner says:

        Beautifully stated! I have seen John Collins troll this site for a long long time. It is sad that such a mind is wasted in defending the indefensible… I pray that Our Lady prevents him from deceiving anymore of Her children.

  52. Angela says:

    oh bless your heart, and all you hold dear.

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